This page is to nominate fresh articles to appear in the "Did you know" section on the Main Page with a "hook" (an interesting fact). Nominations that have been approved are moved to a staging area and then promoted into the Queue. To update this page, purge it.
Successful hooks tend to have several traits. Most importantly, they share a surprising or intriguing fact. They give readers enough context to understand the hook, but leave enough out to make them want to learn more. They are written for a general audience who has no prior knowledge of or interest in the topic area. Lastly, they are concise, and do not attempt to cover multiple facts or present information about the subject beyond what's needed to understand the hook.
When will my nomination be reviewed?
This page is often backlogged. As long as your submission is still on the page, it will stay there until an editor reviews it. Since editors are encouraged to review the oldest submissions first, it may take several weeks until your submission is reviewed. In the meantime, please consider reviewing another submission (not your own) to help reduce the backlog (see instructions below). Because of WP:DYKTIMEOUT, a nomination should be reviewed within two months since the reviewer/promoter may agree to reject and close an unpromoted hook after that time has passed.
Where is my hook?
If you can't find the nomination you submitted to this nominations page, it may have been approved and is on the approved nominations page waiting to be promoted. It could also have been added to one of the prep areas, promoted from prep to a queue, or is on the main page.
If the nominated hook is in none of those places, then the nomination has probably been rejected. Such a rejection usually only occurs if it was at least a couple of weeks old and had unresolved issues for which any discussion had gone stale. If you think your nomination was unfairly rejected, you can query this on the DYK discussion page, but as a general rule such nominations will only be restored in exceptional circumstances.
Any editor who was not involved in writing/expanding or nominating an article may review it by checking to see that the article meets all the DYK criteria (long enough, new enough, no serious editorial or content issues) and the hook is cited. Editors may also alter the suggested hook to improve it, suggest new hooks, or even lend a hand and make edits to the article to which the hook applies so that the hook is supported and accurate. For more information on the DYK rules and review processes, see the DYK guidelines and the reviewer instructions.
To post a comment or review on a DYK nomination, follow the steps outlined below:
Click the "Review or comment" link at the top of the nomination. You will be taken to the nomination subpage.
The top of the page includes a list of the DYK criteria. Check the article to ensure it meets all the relevant criteria.
To indicate the result of the review (i.e., whether the nomination passes, fails, or needs some minor changes), leave a signed comment on the page. Please begin with one of the 5 review symbols that appear at the top of the edit screen, and then indicate all aspects of the article that you have reviewed; your comment should look something like the following:
Article length and age are fine, no copyvio or plagiarism concerns, reliable sources are used. But the hook needs to be shortened.
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If there is any problem or concern about a nomination, please consider notifying the nominator by placing {{subst:DYKproblem|Article|header=yes|sig=yes}} on the nominator's talk page.
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Images for the lead slot must be freely licensed. Fair-use images are not permitted. Images loaded on Commons that appear on the Main Page are automatically protected by KrinkleBot.
Hook must be stated in both the article and source (which must be cited at the end of the article sentence where stated).
Hook should make sense grammatically.
Try to vary subject matters within each prep area.
Try to select a funny, quirky or otherwise upbeat hook for the last or bottom hook in the set.
Steps to add a hook to prep
In one tab, open the nomination page of the hook you want to promote.
In a second tab, open the prep set you intend to add the hook to.
Wanna skip all this fuss? Install WP:PSHAW instead! Does most of the heavy lifting for ya :)
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Copy and paste the hook into a chosen slot.
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If it's the lead (first) hook, paste the image where indicated at the top of the template.
Copy and paste ALL the credit information (the {{DYKmake}} and {{DYKnom}} templates) at the bottom
Check your work in the prep's Preview mode.
At the bottom under "Credits", to the right of each article should have the link "View nom subpage" ; if not, a subpage parameter will need to be added to the DYKmake.
Save the Prep page.
Closing the DYK nomination page
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Also paste the same thing into the edit summary.
Check in Preview mode. Make sure everything is against a pale blue background (nothing outside) and there are no stray characters, like }}, at the top or bottom.
Open the DYK nomination subpage of the hook you would like to remove. (It's best to wait several days after a reviewer has rejected the hook, just in case someone contests or the article undergoes a large change.)
In the window where the DYK nomination subpage is open, replace the line {{DYKsubpage with {{subst:DYKsubpage, and replace |passed= with |passed=no. Then save the page. This has the effect of wrapping up the discussion on the DYK nomination subpage in a blue archive box and stating that the nomination was unsuccessful, as well as adding the nomination to a category for archival purposes.
Edit the prep area or queue where the hook is and remove the hook and the credits associated with it.
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Go back to the last version before the edit where the hook was promoted, and revert to that version to make the nomination active again.
Add a new icon on the nomination subpage to cancel the previous tick and leave a comment after it explaining that the hook was removed from the prep area or queue, and why, so that later reviewers are aware of this issue.
Add a transclusion of the template back to this page so that reviewers can see it. It goes under the date that it was first created/expanded/listed as a GA. You may need to add back the day header for that date if it had been removed from this page.
If you removed the hook from a queue, it is best to either replace it with another hook from one of the prep areas, or to leave a message at WT:DYK asking someone else to do so.
Don't; it should not ever be necessary, and will break some links which will later need to be repaired. Even if you change the title of the article, you don't need to move the nomination page.
Source: Towster, Julian (1948). Political Power in the U.S.S.R.: 1917−1947. Oxford University Press. 212; Gasper, Donald (1982). "The Chinese National People's Congress". In Nelson, Daniel; White, Stephen (eds.). Communist Legislatures in Comparative Perspective. State University of New York Press. pp. 160–190. doi:10.1007/978-1-349-06086-3_7. ISBN 0-87395-566-8. 171.
@TheUzbek: Not a full review, but you may want to consider rewording the hook. I cannot parse "holds unlimited state power bar the limits it sets on itself through constitutions and laws." ―Howard • 🌽3312:46, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Better, but may still need more revisions to make it more layperson friendly. A layperson may not necessarily know what "unlimited state power" means in this context, although it may also be understandable, so it could go either way. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 06:03, 29 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Narutolovehinata5: "Unlimited state power" is a simplification of "Unified power"; I honestly don't know how I can simplify it more. This is not a topic most people are familiar with, which is why I chose to nominate it. I think we should also keep that in mind when one reads this. --TheUzbek (talk) 07:44, 31 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@TheUzbek: Long enough, new enough. Fairly certain no QPQ was actually necessary for this. I think you'll probably get away with ALT1: ... that a supreme state organ of power usually has unlimited state power?, but a) I need a quote from the source, and b) I'd appreciate confirmation of where it is in the article. Also, Earwig's on fire.--Launchballer14:44, 6 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
: The first hook referring to Dawn as the first Olympian is interesting. Nothing seems wrong with it (unless told). Ominae (talk) 14:11, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Is there anything else interesting about this person other than the Olympics? I'm scrolling looking for stuff to promote and I'm not going to promote hooks of the sort ... that Joe Blogs was the first Olympian from X country?
Totally agree with TarnishedPath, and also, I'm not confident that a full review was done on the article and hook. I think this one should probably get a closer look. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 06:55, 7 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Willing to let others take over reviewing and rescind it if DYK lines with "... the first" is not encouraged (anymore). I can find another DYK topic to check and review instead. Ominae (talk) 11:40, 7 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that George Arthur Lincoln, the principal planner of George C. Marshall's World War II military campaigns, liked to spend time "mending fences, attending cattle, and riding" at his ranch in Colorado?
Source: General Lincoln, who won his star at the age of 38, served las General of the Army George C. Marshall's principal planner for American military campaigns in Europe and Asia, including the projected invasion of Japan that dissolved with the atomic mushroom clouds over Hiroshima and Nagasaki and the Japanese surrender he helped to draft.” NY Times
“The Lincolns have a ranch outside of Denver. The general tries to spend as much of his leisure time as possible there, mending fences, attending cattle and riding” NY Times
The article is long enough and new enough. NYT is a reliable source, but inaccessible to me so I cannot check for close paraphrasing. The basic facts check out, though. QPQ is done. The article needs more wikilinks; even some crucial articles are not linked. The proposed hook is also rather lackluster. Mending fences? The guy apparently divided Korea. Can we not go with that, Thriley (talk)? Surtsicna (talk) 21:07, 26 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Source: "Siam Discovery collaborates with the popular art toy LuLu the Piggy to launch Thailand’s first pop-up store, offering exclusive merchandise and experiences from July 5 to August 31, 2024. Siam Discovery The Exploratorium amplifies its positioning as ‘The Biggest Arena of Lifestyle Experiments’ that offers thrilling and exciting experiences where everyone can endlessly Experiment, Create, and Cultivate. Siam Discovery collaborates with the sought-after art toy characters LuLu the Piggy to launch Thailand’s first pop-up store "LuLu the Piggy – Stay with you Bangkok." Making its debut in Thailand, this exclusive pop-up store caters to the growing art toy lover community, underlying Siam Discovery’s "Be the first" commitment. Collectors can now shop their favourite LuLu the Piggy items in Bangkok, thanks to Siam Discovery and Toyzero+, from 5 July to 31 August 2024, on the 1st floor of Siam Discovery." Bangkok Post
The proposed hook is demonstrably false. The source is only saying that it's the first Lulu pop-up store in Thailand, and it's a press release and wouldn't be adequate for such claims anyway. Indeed, the article is cited only to primary sources and press releases; it will need references to independent reliable sources to show notability. The article is missing an important contextual link to art toy in the opening sentence, and the "Characteristic" section fails to frame the description in a real-world perspective. The image copyright might be an issue, as it appears to be a temporary rather than permanent installation so it's unclear whether FOP actually applies. A QPQ review is also needed, as nominator has more than 5 DYKs under another account. Other than that, article is new and long enough. I'm going to fail this as the article needs significant rewriting to properly present the subject's real-world significance, not just its marketing material. --Paul_012 (talk) 07:35, 1 July 2025 (UTC), updated 09:27, 1 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for providing the QPQ and alt hook. The added source provides much more in-depth information, though I'm not knowledgeable enough to assess its independence and am still not quite sure that the article demonstrates the topic's notability well enough. Personally, I don't find Alt1 interesting, but I'm going to go ahead and request a second opinion to help look at the notability concerns. --Paul_012 (talk) 14:41, 2 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
As indicated above, I don't feel confident in assessing the topic's notability as demonstrated by the sourcing, and have requested a second opinion. --Paul_012 (talk) 20:38, 30 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Launchballer: There are other reliable sources that prove the subject is relevant enough to pass as a significant article for Wikipedia; this includes the "Lifestyle Asia" and "Shanghai Municipal People's Government". ChiJap (talk) 00:14, 4 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The Bangkok Post piece is also a press release, indicated by the "PR News" tag in the breadcrumb. The Sohu/QQ article I'm not so sure. It's credited to 玩世代, which seems to be a fairly established institutional creator, but I can't tell how independent they are. But so far it's the only third-party source that discusses the topic in depth. Since the other sources (that don't appear to be direct press releases) are only promoting the events and not really about the character itself, I'm afraid this is too borderline notability-wise, so I'll have to fail the DYK. I won't AfD the article, as it seems to have potential, but if ChiJap wants to argue the case there let me know and I'll start a discussion and put the DYK on hold pending the result. --Paul_012 (talk) 05:03, 4 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Regardless of the subject's notability, I have reservations if any of the hooks proposed meet DYKINT. ALT1 and ALT3 do not meet the interestingness guidelines at all, while ALT2 is likely to be objected to by editors (i.e. "is saying that something is popular automatically interesting?"). Is there anything else that can be proposed here? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:51, 11 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
References
^"TOYZEROPLUS与罐头猪LuLu：走出"潮玩圈"皆是旷野" [TOYZEROPLUS and Canned Pig LuLu: Beyond the "trendy toy circle" lies the wilderness] (in Chinese). Sohu. 20 July 2023. Retrieved 1 July 2025.
ALT2: ... that Sonic the Hedgehog 3's director sent "retiree" Jim Carrey a US$100,000 script printed in real gold after Carrey joked this was his requirement to return to the franchise? Source: THR
Comment Nominator mentioned elsewhere on the article's talk page that they collected potential alternate hooks here. I think the current hook is good, although I am also partial to ALT2. silviaASH(inquire within)17:25, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@BarntToust: I've taken the liberty of moving the hooks on that page to this one. For what it's worth, I read the article after seeing it at WP:GARC and the bit about the gold script stuck out; I therefore propose ALT7: ... that a cast member's script for Sonic the Hedgehog 3 cost $100,000 to print?--Launchballer21:49, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
And mainly because of the fact there's one opportunity to give the idea of Latinas being Shadow's thing a chance to show up on the main page. I could see Jeff Fowler going to GA rather easily and getting a dyk with the concept of him giving the script, and if Jim Carrey were to get to GA, a DYK could be produced of him receiving the script. No other relevant, notable articles for Latina—Shadow business to be included in. BarntToust22:20, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I think that the idea of Latinas in the DYK is best because of its genuine uniqueness to this article. Jim Carrey's costly script, I can think of two other places where that would work.
...that a script for a Jim Carrey movie cost $100k to print?
On that note, it is impossible to include anything, period, on Shadow the Hedgehog's DYK because it's already a good article. Only other place where anything about Latinas could be written. That's my standpoint, considering the opportunity and uniqueness of Shadow liking Latinas. BarntToust22:30, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The way this is framed now feels like it'd fall afoul of WP:DYKFICTION. I think that the other issue with this hook, both the original and revised versions, is that it doesn't meet WP:DYKINT- someone with no special knowledge of the Sonic the Hedgehog franchise won't necessarily know who Shadow the Hedgehog is, or why it would be interesting or unusual if he loved Latinas. The idea of Jim Carrey getting a gold script to reprise his role, though, is more likely to be perceived as generally unusual and novel even if someone has never heard of Sonic before. silviaASH(inquire within)23:00, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There we go, this one technically works within DYKFICTION. But I see where the 100k gold script part falls much more securely within the lines. I'd be chill with either one, be it this oneorALT 7 though given this explanation. BarntToust23:05, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Just a comment, but I think the fact about Jim Carrey and the gold ink would make the most interesting hook. The fact itself has gone viral, so it's clearly something people find interesting. Therefore, I think the most interesting hook would be: ALT9: ... that Jim Carrey said he might return to acting if "the angels bring some sort of script that's written in gold ink"... then returned for Sonic the Hedgehog 3? — Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs)23:36, 27 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Looks like the hook discussion above has not come with a review. To cover the non-hook aspects, the article was promoted to GA shortly before the nom, it is clearly long enough. A QPQ was done albeit quite briefly. The GAN has a sourcing spot-check, earwig is clear, and I haven't found copyvio in a quick look. This shitposting hook variations seem to check out. The gold ink one seems slightly wrong though, in the article as well as the hook: the sources says the director thinks the script is "now worth about a hundred thousand dollars", not that it cost $100,000. CMD (talk) 06:35, 9 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah we've gotten to the point where the collective wall of discussion has made this DYK just too much of a text-headache for most anyone to want to wade through to review.
... that xeokit SDK can visualize 3D BIM models directly in your browser without needing any proprietary software?
Source: xeokit SDK enables the visualization of 3D BIM models in standard web browsers without requiring proprietary software, facilitating vendor-neutral workflows helping avoid vendor lock-in.
Reviewed:
Created by Drashevski (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
The hook as currently written cannot be used as: 1. It fails WP:DYKINT (it is unlikely to interest or even be understood by people lacking specialist knowledge about IT), and 2. It reads like an advertisement for Xeokit. Pinging Maury Markowitz or DigitalIceAge for input on whether or not the article is salvageable and if a better hook can be proposed. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 21:42, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Well first off the hood needs a link to the actual article! Looking it over, and some of the external pages, I think this is reasonable article. My only concern is the cites - there's plenty of them but most of them point back to GitHub or similar. There are some reasonable mentions in 3rd party papers (basically the second half of the cite list) but there's also a fair number of passing mentions. As always I err on the side of inclusion, so if anyone agrees this passes, the issue is the hook. This seems reasonably hooky: Maury Markowitz (talk) 12:25, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm going to disagree with that. The reader has to know what the web is and what a browser is, and I would wager that the average reader what architecture is, and what a 3d model is. They may not know what a software development kit is, but I think they can figure that out from the term itself. This does not seem overly technical or in-universe to me, but YMMV. Maury Markowitz (talk) 23:59, 1 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The layperson probably thinks of "browser" as being like Chrome or Safari (i.e. a web browser), and it's not clear from the hook that it's talking about that. Of course, it could just be because it's full of techy-sounding terms, which muddles the waters somewhat. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:16, 2 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The article meets the freshness and length criteria. I see no copyright issues. I like ALT1 better. I see sentences with no citations at the ends of three paragraphs. Furthermore I see no citations in the "Karting record" and "Racing record" sections. Is this something that can be addressed, Mitchea99? Surtsicna (talk)
Mitch is currently away (per their userpage), so I'm assisting them with adding the missing sources. The issues with the ends of the paragraphs have been resolved, and the tables will hopefully be done soon. I'll reply to this again when the tables have been fixed. GalacticVelocity08 (talk) 00:45, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Notifying User:Surtsicna that the referencing concerns are almost fully resolved now, with the only thing being unreferenced is the Stock Light results. I'm still trying to find something for that (there's a website that I found but it won't load). If I'm unable to find anything, then I'll put it into an invisible comment for now. I informed Mitch about this (offwiki) but due to timezone differences I figured I would just send this reply now so any other concerns can be fixed, if any. GalacticVelocity08 (talk) 01:34, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm still unable to find a source for the Stock Light section; I found something for 2018 but it isn't a perfect match, and absolutely nothing for 2017. I've contacted one person to ask but in the mean time it's in an invisible comment until a source can be found. If anything else needs to be fixed before this DYK can proceed, please let me know. Thank you for the patience! GalacticVelocity08 (talk) 00:16, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the ping. I'm on vacation without my laptop and a cheap phone (watch me somehow break this page formatting) so haven't been checking wiki much. I've gone through archive.org to find the Stock Light points documents, the sources should be added soon. Thanks everyone for the help. Mitchea99 (talk) 00:31, 20 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Narutolovehinata5: Thank you for the feedback. Really sorry to disturb, but I see a very similar one currently on display: "... that mine labourer Golekane Mosweu became an Olympic runner after someone noticed his fitness?" And one earlier this month: "... that the Miley Cyrus song "Easy Lover" was intended for three different albums before its release?" Can it be rephrased to look better? M.Billoo16:06, 5 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: The SMS is a new police service that's suppose to go operational before the end of 2025, assuming Saskatchewan news is up to date. Working on improving and expanding it. As for QPQ, I'm working on the DYK nomination (page) that's being reviewed. Hope that it'll be resolved soon. Apologies for that. Otherwise, I'll go and change it under advisement.
Also, there's no free images of the SMS in Commons.
5x expanded by Ominae (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 20 past nominations.
Source: Cooke, Diane (4 April 1989). "Young, Gifted, and Black". The Manchester Evening News. p. 8.
ALT1: ... that in 2010, activist Andrea Enisuoh and Hackney residents campaigned to keep the name of their local library, honouring Trinidadian writer CLR James? Source: "Andrea Enisuoh". Women From Hackney's History. 1. The Hackney History Society (Friends of Hackney Archives): 45.
Reviewed:
Created by I&I22 (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
Thank you for joining DYK, Medievalfran. The article is new and looks fairly comprehensive given the coverage, but I am afraid that there are some issues with this nomination. Several paragraphs are missing citations. The hooks are missing wikilinks, but that much is easily sorted. The two greater problems with the original hook is that it is not quite supported in the article and that it is not exactly interesting. I had never heard of a National Union of Students Executive Committee. Frankly, being a first black woman member of it does not sound like much. ALT1 is only slightly better. I suppose something could be done with the Trinidadan television transmission thing, but it is not mentioned in the cited source (which is an issue of its own). Surtsicna (talk) 18:22, 2 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Z1720 Thank you both for your follow-up. I will add citations for missing paragraphs asap. I am not sure how to address the comment, "The two greater problems with the original hook is that it is not quite supported in the article and that it is not exactly interesting. I had never heard of a National Union of Students Executive Committee. Frankly, being a first black woman member of it does not sound like much.". I myself am Black British and find it SHOCKING that Andrea Enisuoh could be the first Black British woman to join the National Union of Students Executive Committee. It would not matter to me that I did not know of the National Union of Students Executive committee was.I would understand thatnthe organisation is a national union aka a big deal and "should" be at the forefront of progressive thought and practices. What this DYK illuminates is that contemporary intersectional systems of oppression are alive and well in London and that advocacy efforts are never-ending and must be continuously maintained, with much work to do. If I was to see this DYK, I, as a reader, would be inspired to double-up my engagement and participation in local community efforts, understanding that all efforts towards peaceful living matter greatly and that it is often mothers leading the charge.
I think the main issue here is that, if a reader is unfamiliar with the National Union of Students Executive Committee, which I imagine is the vast majority of our readers, then they would have no idea why the hook is supposed to be interesting or why it is a big deal that Enisuoh was its first black member. WP:DYKINT may be worth reading here: ideally, hooks need to be understandable and interesting to readers without relying (too much) on specialist or background knowledge. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:57, 22 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Narutolovehinata5 thank you and yes i understand. The issue is that “interesting” is very subjective and nebulous. Looking at todays Dyk items there are many things not if particular interest that have been nominated, it is easy for systemic oppression to be accidentally perpetrated with nebulous definitions of interest. Re: todays dyk items that have passed into publication, i had no idea what “ the order of the sun” was mentioned in one and yet i get it, it’s an honour. And another boring fact re: Dutch sports team winning some competitions ( that they constantly train for?!), not of interest and not innovative or spectacular news at all? In any case i will reconsider and resubmit. Much thanks for feedback. I&I22 (talk)
Thank you very much, folks (@Surtsicna:, @Narutolovehinata5: and @Z1720:, for input on the above. I'm not entirely sure I have anything else to add which hasn't already been added by another contributor (I&I22, I think): that I do think it is remarkable when someone is the first Black woman to achieve a position in the UK. I also double checked the references and they do support the claims. I also added in wikilinks to the proposed/alt hooks - perhaps this helps with the point that if people aren't familiar with the NUS, it is easy enough for them to look this up. Thanks for any further input here! What's the next step? (also apologies, not sure how to format this section!) Medievalfran (talk) 13:37, 29 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@TSventon: thanks for the reply. I was under the impression all discussion of that kind would live here - sorry I’m not sure of the process or the exact page to go to to ask for further input? As noted above I’d like further feedback on the hooks as they are. Thanks for your help!Medievalfran (talk) 14:18, 4 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
People do ask at DYK talk about whether their hooks are interesting. Do ask for help there if you need it, especially as a new nominator. Nominations can get rejected as too old, so it is best to deal with problems promptly or ask for help when you can't resolve them yourself. I have asked the question, so we will see what people think. TSventon (talk) 15:14, 4 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The Manchester Evening News article does not discuss the set of NUS executive committee members in detail and I doubt that Women From Hackney's History does either. The wording about "first" hooks was added in May after a discussion here. TSventon (talk) 18:40, 4 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The Manchester evening news article states the claim- of her being the first black woman elected to NUS executive committee - in its lede. Do you mean there would have to be further discussion? In that same source? The Socialism Today source also repeats the claim. I’d also like to add here that NUS in UK politics has been very influential - many politicians trace their political career back to NUS roles, so it plays a significant part of the political landscape. Medievalfran (talk) 19:42, 4 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'll try to keep this simple, but essentially DYK has a problem with firsts making it to the main page and WP:ERRORS finding earlier examples. Ideally, you'd want a list of every member who had ever served on the committee, although I suppose the NUS probably keeps decent enough records that this might be alright. I'd also prefer that we put the achievement first per WP:FIRSTWOMAN, so ALT0a: ... that the UK National Union of Students Executive Committee member Andrea Enisuoh was its first Black woman? I'll let someone else here adjudicate on both though.--Launchballer11:38, 5 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that Marc Mac is a British-Jamaican producer (one half of the group 4hero) whose album 'Two Pages' foretold the future sounds of drum 'n bass music?
Source:Kwame Safo with additional work by Seb Wheeler, "The gentrification of jungle: Kwame Safo talks to Marc Mac, Bryan Gee, DJ Flight and Junior Tomlin about the futuristic Black art form and why its Black roots should never be forgotten", 23 October 2020 https://mixmag.net/feature/the-gentrification-of-jungle
New enough in mainspace and long enough. Nominator is QPQ-exempt. I don't think the hook works: it's puffery and unattributed. (The discography does not need a citation, though the detail on the labels and versions is probably excessive.) Look for a different fact, I&I22; I don't think this would be allowed to stand unless attributed to someone reasonably well-known. Sammi Brie (she/her · t · c) 18:58, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Sammi Brie - i don't really understand what you are saying here. Do you mean to express that Marc Mac is not well known? this is not true and a wildly unsubstantiated statement. it is not at all "puffery and unattributed" where did you get that? why would i bother even making the article if he wasn't an important yet overlooked piece of music history - he is well known as a pioneering artist of jungle and d'n b.if you do a little research it is easy to see this. i have no idea what qpg is but i will look it up thank you and figure out citations etc. also i don't understand speaking like this to ppl volunteering their sweet irreplacable time and learning the ropes on wikipedia, "Look for a different fact,". i get it - directness and all that i - i don't mind directness - but it seems a bit abrasive. Anyways, maybe i just have misunderstood you? and am making assumptions as have often encountered aggressive, condescending, unkind, rude, assumptive, suspicious or impatient-sounding comments from other more experienced editors when i have made some newbie error. alrightee i am not on here to bicker but it is fun when the convo is more respectful especially when putting in the time to learn and participate. thanks again and will look into it — Preceding unsigned comment added by I&I22 (talk • contribs) 20:27, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@I&I22: Please read WP:PUFFERY for more context. Generally speaking, Wikipedia wants to avoid subjective words like "pioneering" in articles, especially without proper attribution. It's more of a case of show than tell, i.e. show how the person is "pioneering", rather than saying they are so. Regarding the "well-known" thing, I think Sammi was talking about a reviewer or source that says Mac is "pioneering", rather than claiming that Mac is not well-known. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:10, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Narutolovehinata5: I see. Thank you for the puffery reference. On my end I understand the word pioneering differently, less promotional I suppose. I am on a bit of a break from Wikipedia. Can either of you let me know if there is a deadline for the updates? Much thanks I&I22 (talk) 05:54, 10 July 2025 (UTC)I&I22[reply]
Narutolovehinata5 is right. To make a claim like that requires appropriate backup, and big claims require lots of proof. That's a big claim. I'd be more than happy to help, but that's an important principle for editors to grasp. This sentence, for instance, has no reason to be there because it sounds so promotional: Reinforced Records has supported new musical genres and emerging artists, pioneering the sounds of 90's British dance music scene through mentorship, networking opportunities, collaboration and music production.Sammi Brie (she/her · t · c) 05:38, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Sammi Brie: ok, great that is helpful to know. Yes there are many sources to cite. I can't remember what I wrote before, but I cited many academic references on his article. I have changed the dyk question, does that read better - in keeping with Wikimedia protocols? Marc Mac is in the main reference books for edm particularly British ones. He and his group members coached Goldie in crafting/translating his sonic visions for Goldie's epic masterpiece Timeless. Their label Reinforced Records mentored and supported many essential UK edm producers. As this artist seems to have shied away from promos due to racial unrest which led to family tragedies perhaps - they have kept a behind the scene profile but they are an essential part of British culture and mentioned often in Wikipedia so found it was important to mention them and provide a more accurate context for the other article mentions. I appreciate the support and guidance as i fail my way to greater understanding. I do not understand the Wikipedia culture completely yet and am duty-bound to represent the underacknowledged cultural contributions of BIPOC folx.:)
@Narutolovehinata5:
Hello! I have no idea how to format my changes...I have edited directly into the code...does this work with these kinds of DYK projects? I understand now that my question was way too mundane!
ALT2: ... that the British-Jamaican producer (and one half of the EDM group 4hero) Marc Mac's parents were part of the community team that founded the Black Cultural Archives in London?
I've moved the new hook down so the original is still on the page. This is the first alternate hook or ALT1 in DYK parlance. This is a tough hook, I&I22, because it's about Marc's parents, not about Marc—which I don't think leads to a good hook about the subject. And I still have concerns about the tone and puffery. You can't make claims like "pioneering" etc. sourced to just one review. Sammi Brie (she/her · t · c) 17:40, 29 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Sammi Brie: ok great, am learning ha! ALT 1 rather than just delete, i understand now. Yes for sure am trying to avoid puffery but also he was an innovator so a pioneer, just a tricky vocabulary balance to manage!
Mentions of parents in the DYK archives do exist, the BCA is important history to know about and also it is interestingas is not common knowledge. For example, this is a DYK from January 15, 2025 "... that for television, James Mustapic set his mother up on a date with David Seymour, who will soon be the New Zealand deputy prime minister?"
Do the DYK's need more than one citation?
There are many to choose from. This artist is cited in many places, including books on edm.
As I understand it the DYK's are interesting and also educational, which is my main goal with this one. I welcome feedback! Can keep trying. thanks again,
I&I22 (talk) 17:50, 29 July 2025 (UTC) I&I22[reply]
That was still on something Mustapic did, which is not the case here. I still have some worries about the prose - do you have any sources on him and his role contributing to these genres that are not from individual reviews of works? As is I'm a bit concerned we are saying this so strongly sourced mostly to album reviews. PARAKANYAA (talk) 17:51, 30 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@I&I22: Please address the above. (For what it's worth, I'm a big fan of Tom & Jerry, both the cartoon and the band, and if I had my way we'd be running a hook beginning "that one half of Tom & Jerry...".)--Launchballer14:40, 7 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Launchballer:@PARAKANYAA:@Sammi Brie:@Narutolovehinata5:Hello everyone! thank you to all of you for the support and interest and follow-up. Yahooo to you Launchballer as a Tom & Jerry fan! top notch dance music. I am finding the DYK writing to be strangely challenging even with learning about all the available resources! And this artist has kept a low grassroots profile, behind the scenes and mostly did interviews, which are not accepted here. OK, i will give a think and check my books am rereading the chapter of Peter Shapiro's Drum 'n Bass now for inspo! woot woot!
@PARAKANYAA: And yes I have many many references/citiation sources for this artist as this article was very challenging to publish. He is a staple in any books on EDM particularly British EDM. There are I believe 4 books that I cited in his article and a gazillion articles. He was at the start of 80s 90s UK electro-sound system scene and cofounded a record label that launched and supported many. his tunes have been listed in many a "top 10 list" etc. list of exceptional dance tunes. He was an engineer and used his training, pioneering UK electronic music sounds. This is not promo puffery, just facts. Hard to avoid as he and his colleagues mapped new soundscapes in UK EDM scene.
The hook you proposed, which I'm renaming ALT2, I'm moving down here: ALT2: ... that to circumvent anti-Black racism in the UK (like form 696) all early Marc Mac's Reinforced record albums produced in the 90s were faceless?
I like the hook, but brackets aren't allowed, so "(like form 696)" would need to come out. I also don't see where it is in the article.--Launchballer17:32, 11 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@BlueMoonset:aha! ok thank you I will sign from now on ( was writing on mobile improv coding - i have not downloaded an app -if there is one ? In any case, much appreciated :) I&I22 (talk) 17:42, 11 August 2025 (UTC)I&I22[reply]
@Launchballer:yayahoooo progress! Marc Mac mentions this resourceful method of sidestepping the racism in several articles/interviews. Here it is in that particular article I cited:
"Being a DJ, broadcaster, producer, promoter and label boss who has been active in soundsystem music since before the acid house explosion gives Marc Mac a unique perspective on the Black origin and evolution of jungle. He would battle police to run events and face what was arguably the beginning of the most punitive filter on Black promoted events, the 696 form, and as a rising artist would try to be as “faceless” as possible to circumvent the racial bias within the music industry and wider society. Albums like 4Hero’s ‘Parallel Universe’ were interwoven with subliminals and ran counter to the simplified hedonistic perspective of the rest of the rave scene, pushing an afrofuturist narrative based on the plight of Black people in the UK and inspired by the scientific progressiveness found in the Black music coming from contemporaries turned friends such as Kevin Saunderson and Underground Resistance in Detroit" - quote from "The gentricifation of jungle" article
Q: Is it possible to add photos to the dyk? I could not figure out how to do this - unless downloading the wikimedia commons image and then citing as mine, which seems not quite right. I&I22 (talk) 17:54, 11 August 2025 (UTC)I&I22[reply]
This is starting to get very jargony, but there is a promising angle here. The main problem, @I&I22:, is that none of this information is in the article. Hook facts need to be in the article, so you will have to make a content edit to incorporate this. If the "faceless" period is in the 90s, it is before Form 696 and so we can't include that. Sammi Brie (she/her · t · c) 18:59, 11 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT2b: ... that Marc Mac made his work deliberately "faceless" to combat racism?
--> @Sammi Brie: I hear you Sammi! Which words are you referring to specifically as jargon?
The article speaks broadly and in my quote I am paraphrasing while also being specific in naming the record label. My DYK question is drawn from multiple interviews, but I understand that straight-up interviews are not considered credible. This is the article I could find that has an interview reworded by the journalist.
I can think of other options for jargon. As this is a BIPOC perspective, and I am participating in Wikipedia as a volunteer BIPOC microactivist, I believe a certain amount of contextualisation is necessary. It must be clear that the DYK is written by and for BIPOC ppl. with an anti-oppression pov. It is important to mention Marc Mac's origins. If the dyk's are meant to educate it will not alienate the curious. EDM enthusiasts will be delighted to see one of their own represented and will read all specific vocab. with minimal effort. Looking at today's DYKs I see all kinds of specific lingos: prosthetic legs, WW, IMAX screens...it all depends on what one is used to reading about I think?
Excuse me if this sentiment is clumsily expressed.
I seek to understand your viewpoint while respecting context-setting necessities for anti-oppression advocacy re: underrepresented/written out/excluded art forms and creators.
I am on here to change things as I can.
And this advocacy generally requires a potentially slightly awkward shifting of protocols/word usages/contexts (jargon/more links and info provided than usual).
How about:
ALT2c: ... that Jamaican-British electronic music producer Marc Mac's early work was deliberately created as "faceless" to circumvent anti-Black racism?
ALT2d: ... that Jamaican-British electronic dance music producer Marc Mac's early work was deliberately created as "faceless" to sidestep anti-Black racism?
Actually I have to think about this...it was not really a choice, they were forced to promo/create faceless work just to get permissions to hold events.
@Narutolovehinata5: Thank you Narutolovehinata5. yes and to clarify, I don't mean to be completely non-neutral, I just mean to minutely level the playing field of representation by occasionally adding in some BIPOC creators, events etc. articles that have been missed. I think you understand! and great the wp site you mention is useful.
How about:
ALT3: ... that Marc Mac (pictured) made his early projects deliberately "faceless" to sidestep racism?
The article was moved to mainspace on July 5 and nominated the following day, so it is new enough. It also meets the length requirements and is free from close paraphrasing. A QPQ has been done, which is almost complete except for checking hook verification, but I'll let it pass this time. ALT1 is rejected as not meeting the interest requirements: it is unlikely to interest non-fans of Beyond the Gates. ALT0 is better, is cited inline and verified in the source, but I'm not very sure if it meets the interest requirements. I think it does, but others may disagree. I might have to ask for a second opinion for ALT0, hence why this is not being approved just yet. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:44, 11 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Firstly, the hook is about a superlative (last) and the article says that some scholars dispute its accuracy. WP:DYKHOOK says Hooks with exceptional claims require exceptional sourcing. Superlative hooks such as first/biggest/most are discouraged as they are regularly debunked at ERRORS. I think a different hook should be nominated.
Concerning the first point, I felt that the source provided was sufficient, though I cannot recall reviewing a hook that dealt with an exceptional claim such as the one presented here before, so I'll defer for the time being. For the second point, I see that the Earwig check indicates a 35.1% similarity, though the tool also notes that "Violation unlikely", and additionally, a check of the English-language version of the article shows only a 2.0% similarity. I'm not sure exactly what to do about this, though I'm definitely open for further discussion with other DYK reviewers. Additionally, if the submitter can provide an ALT hook that does not raise any concerns, I could review that as well. Regards, -JJonahJackalope (talk) 19:56, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@JJonahJackalope: you can approve the hook, but as the wording of WP:DYKHOOK was changed recently to discourage first/last hooks, it is likely to be disputed before it gets to the main page.
The 35.1% Earwig percentage does not tell you if there was a copyright violation or not, you need to click on "compare" for the first few items and check the detail. As the article is a close translation of the French version, a copyright violation in one is likely to mean a copyright violation in the other, which the tool won't pick up. TSventon (talk) 20:19, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@TSventon:, thanks for the feedback on this. Having given it some thought, I feel like it is best to err on the side of caution and request a new hook to be produced that does not (at the very least) toe the line with the DYK policy. Additionally, I'll conduct a more thorough review of the English article to see if it is likely that a copyright violation is present. I'll also ping @Moondragon21: to inform them of this discussion. Regards, -JJonahJackalope (talk) 20:28, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Moondragon21 and JJonahJackalope:, is the Alt1 fact correct? According to ref 2, Revue historique des armées, The losses ... during the days of 9, 10 and 11 November 1918, were 96 killed and 198 wounded [viaGoogle translate], so ref 1, the i, probably also refers to three days of casualties. Also the hook fact and reference(s) need to be included in the article. TSventon (talk) 16:01, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Moondragon21 and TSventon: It appears that the hook has been amended to address the fact that the deaths occurred over several days. Additionally, the fact has been added to the article with proper inline citing. That being said, I'm a bit concerned that ALT1 is not consistent with the guidelines at WP:DYKINT, namely that "The hook should be likely to be perceived as unusual or intriguing by readers with no special knowledge or interest in the topic." To be blunt, I'm not sure if the average person would find it unusual or intriguing that French soldiers were killed during a WWI battle. -JJonahJackalope (talk) 16:36, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I understand that, and you included a link to that in the ALT hook, but still, I don't think it's that surprising that there was a battle that had casualties during the last day of a war. Is there anything more interesting that can be used as a hook for this article? -JJonahJackalope (talk) 16:59, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I think that it is interesting that the battle took place while the armistice was being negotiated, see reference 2, Revue historique des armées. TSventon (talk) 17:10, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
JJonahJackalope, you haven't commented on my summary of the French Earwig report. If in doubt you could ask at DYK talk. Also, some sources don't look reliable, e.g. actifforum.com, over-blog.com and wordpress.com. TSventon (talk) 17:20, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Moondragon21|TSventon, I agree that it is interesting that the battle occurred while the armistice was being negotiated, as stated above. However, it seems as though there are a good number of issues with this article as it currently stands, including possible copyright violations stemming from its original French-language article and possibly unreliable sources, as stated above. Therefore, it seems that some extensive work may be required before this article is ready for DYK approval. -JJonahJackalope (talk) 11:36, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
reliable sources: I suggest that you look at all the sources and decide if they look like WP:RS if they don't, a better source should be found or the content should be removed. Websites like actifforum.com, over-blog.com and wordpress.com don't look reliable to me, but do your own checks.
copyright violations in the French article: I have listed what look like copyright violations in the French article below. You need to look at the EARWIG report for fr:Bataille de Vrigne-Meuse yourself and click on compare for the sites I have listed. Generally you can avoid copyright violations by summarising copyright material in your own words.
A hook that that the battle took place while the armistice was being negotiated, see reference 2, Revue historique des armées, could be interesting. TSventon (talk) 22:59, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Moondragon21: you have removed the actifforum.com and over-blog.com sources I queried, can you explain if you think the wordpress.com source is reliable. You have made minimal changes to the text since I posted the Earwig report at 19:43, 8 July 2025, so I don't think you have dealt with any copyright violations. I have added translations of the sentences Earwig marked as duplicates below. The alt hook fact needs to be stated and referenced in the article, but I can't see it at present. TSventon (talk) 22:16, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@TSventon: Apologies the wordpress ref referenced another source in the article. I am confused by the Earwig report. Is this the English article or the French article? Moondragon21 (talk) 11:56, 22 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Moondragon21: The Earwig report relates to the French article and shows that the French article copied whole sentences from several sources with only minor modifications, which is a copyright violation if it takes "any creative expression" from the sources. You translated the French article, so the corresponding sentences will also violate copyright if they take "creative expression" from the sources. See Wikipedia:Close paraphrasing, especially the "translation" section for an explanation. TSventon (talk) 13:31, 22 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@TSventon: I did translate the French article but not without alteration. The two articles look different now particularly the references which were changed. Can you please highlight the problematic sections for me. Moondragon21 (talk) 16:18, 28 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Moondragon21: Diannaa said There's definitely enough copyvio that the article will have to be cleaned. The problem is copied or closely paraphrased text, so changing the references but not the text does not deal with the problem. TSventon (talk) 16:18, 2 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Moondragon21 and JJonahJackalope: I think that you should be able to recognise the quotes on the talk page in the article. Earwig has added another source so I have added that at the bottom. It might be a good idea to check at DYK talk when you are done. TSventon (talk) 17:05, 2 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Moondragon21:, I think your edit here is close paraphrasing, so it doesn't solve the copyright problems. For example replacing "son, husband or brother" with "husband, brother or son" doesn't change the structure of the sentence. TSventon (talk) 00:45, 7 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Moondragon21 and JJonahJackalope: sentences based on copyright material should look as though you (Moondragon21) have summarised them in your own words. This is an essential part of writing for Wikipedia. I have posted an example on the talk page. TSventon (talk) 13:14, 7 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Article is new enough (created 6 July, nominated 4 days later), long enough (at 2600 bytes), both hooks verified, under 200 characters and interesting. Article is within policy and QPQ done as required. JuniperChill (talk) 17:59, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I've reopened this one as I'm not convinced the first hook is accurate. According to the source, "as with the Baggenstosses, Dutch Maid remained a family run business with Day’s children, husband, and mother helping". So it wasn't "one woman" doing the job previously done by six men, it was a group of people, as before. Not clear if that arrangement is still in place either. With two stores in place I imagine the owner is relatively less hands on than before. Not mad keen on ALT1 either, as it didn't have to rebrand its fruit cake, that was just a marketing decision. There might be something in there if tweaked, I'll leave that up to workshoppers. Pinging Ke4roh Cheers — Amakuru (talk) 08:43, 3 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
guess I should've looked closer and not only rely on Ctrl+F. I was in a little rush to review and will learn to read the whole source next time. not sure if i can still review if a new hook is provided, so that this can be counted as my QPQ (which good thing i haven't used yet). JuniperChill (talk) 23:33, 3 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Faldi00: Article new enough (Jul 6), long enough (3400 B), no copyvio (Earwig says 2.0%, and no close paraphrasing detected). Hook is interesting. However, some concerns about sourcing; can you explain what makes Sangonet and Lopinionplus reliable sources? — Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs)01:07, 5 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Source: "Over time, she formed relationships with members of the revolutionary movement—including a brief romantic relationship with Arévalo, with whom she had a son, Julio [es]—and embraced their ideals." Sourced from Leyte Chávez 2022, p. 129: "Her brief romantic relationship with Juan José Arévalo, the country's first democratically elected president, among other events, highlights the writer's obvious closeness to the revolutionary regime from its earliest years. Even after the relationship between Arévalo and Foppa broke up, her commitment to the Revolution's political and cultural project remained."
ALT1: ... that Alaíde Foppa taught the first class on women's sociology at a Latin American university?"
Source: At the School of Political Science, she offered the first course on the sociology of women ever to be offered at a Latin American university." [7]
ALT2: ... that Alaíde Foppa speaks on behalf of all women in her poem "Ella se siente"?
Source: "In this poem ["Ella se siente"], using the personal pronoun Ella, which serves as the subject, Foppa refers to every woman who exists and has existed on earth and speaks of her state of mind, a state of mind universally shared by individuals of the female sex." (Cocco 2023, p. 23)
That's fair. Did think of that after I made the nomination. I don't know if there's anything else in the article that's quite as hooky/would inspire as many clicks (which is of secondary importance) that isn't related to her disappearance, which I think would be even worse, but I'll go ahead and add some alts. Hopefully these better reflect her life and individual agency as a person. Spookyaki (talk) 20:07, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I am having some difficulty accessing it to find where the citation supports the hook. Can you quote what is being cited from The New York Times that supports the hook's claim that the Scottish in the 18th century added water to marmalade to produce a less solid preserve than before? Aneirinn (talk) 08:04, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Unfortunately, while the hook is interesting, it does not meet WP:DYKFICTION as currently written as it is about an in-universe depiction of a fictional event (in this case, it's talking about the in-song woman and her husband's beard). As much as I would like to IAR approve the hook, it would get scrutiny from other editors and would be unlikely to survive. As such, a new hook is needed here. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:27, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1: ... that Mikhl Gordon's first collection under his real name wasn't published until 1889, just a year before his death?(Source: Rosenthal, Herman; Zametkin, M. (1904). "Gordon, Michel". In Singer, Isidore; et al. (eds.). The Jewish Encyclopedia. Vol. 6. New York: Funk & Wagnalls. p. 48.)
... that Qla', a ruin located in the Samarian highlands of what is now the West Bank, was a royal production center of the Kingdom of Israel in the 8th century BCE?
Source: Eitam, David; Lederman, Zvi; Kleiman, Assaf (2024-01-02). "Qlaʿ: A Royal Oil- and Wine-Production Centre in the Kingdom of Israel". Tel Aviv. 51 (1): 18–19. doi:10.1080/03344355.2024.2327798. ISSN 0334-4355.
ALT1: ... that in the 8th century BCE, the Kingdom of Israel operated a royal production center at Qla', a site in today's West Bank? Source: Eitam, David; Lederman, Zvi; Kleiman, Assaf (2024-01-02). "Qlaʿ: A Royal Oil- and Wine-Production Centre in the Kingdom of Israel". Tel Aviv. 51 (1): 18–19. doi:10.1080/03344355.2024.2327798. ISSN 0334-4355.
ALT2: ... that Qla', located in what is now the West Bank, was a royal center for olive oil and wine production in the Kingdom of Israel during the 8th century BCE? Source: Eitam, David; Lederman, Zvi; Kleiman, Assaf (2024-01-02). "Qlaʿ: A Royal Oil- and Wine-Production Centre in the Kingdom of Israel". Tel Aviv. 51 (1): 18–19. doi:10.1080/03344355.2024.2327798. ISSN 0334-4355.
Reviewed:
Created by ADeeperUnderstanding (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
Comment: This is my first time writting an article about a plant and even something related to medicine, If I ever make some mistakes kindly tell me how to fix it.
Created by Miminity (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 19 past nominations.
The article is new enough, and long enough. I did not find any close paraphrasing. A QPQ has been done. Referencing is largely alright except for one part (I will get to it later). However, the article is not ready for primetime. Firstly, it needs a copy edit as it is full of grammatical errors. Second, the claim that it is the most bitter Japanese herb is unreferenced. Thirdly, even if it was referenced, it would likely not meet WP:DYKHOOKSTYLE due to it being a superlative claim (i.e. "most bitter"), and such a claim requires exceptional sourcing to withstand scrutiny. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:36, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Narutolovehinata5: I've done minor changes such as copyediting and source that one bit. Also, can this be a good ALT1.
ALT1: ... that Swertia japonica is one of the most popular Japanese herbs despite being one of the most bitter?
... that Dan Pashman spent three years working on a new pasta shape which he called Cascatelli (pictured), after the Italian word for waterfall?
Source: "Add cascatelli — inspired by the Italian word for waterfall, cascata — to your pasta vocabulary and your pantry. This new pasta shape was invented after three years of research and development by Dan Pashman, the host of the podcast The Sporkful, with the expertise of Sfoglini, a pasta company based in West Coxsackie, N.Y., in the Hudson Valley. The creation story has been documented on Mr. Pashman’s podcast as “Mission: Impastable.” He insisted on a shape that could be speared with a fork, and that would hold sauce well and have a proper bite. Traditionally extruded pasta shapes are made by forcing the dough through a die; a new, high-quality bronze die was made for cascatelli. The shape is a bit larger than most short pastas, but it’s very good, especially for simpler, less ingredient-heavy sauces like marinara, carbonara, pesto and arrabbiata."
New enough: - No, Dan Pashman was expanded from 127 words (or generously outside the 7 day from 83 words) to 291 words in the last 7 days. Not fivefold.
Ah! I missed that you moved it from a draft space I just checked the bottom of the page. I'm a new reviewer. Won't make that mistake again! Thanks for pointing this out!
Was hoping this was a simple case of using the DYK checker tool as I get practice with this. I think this hook is good, but maybe the tag on the page still needs to resolved before it's approved. I'm sure a more senior reviewer can take a look. - SquawkGuard (talk) 05:19, 13 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Source: "US justice department finds no Epstein 'client list'": "The DoJ may be releasing the list of Jeffrey Epstein's clients, will that really happen?", Bondi was asked on Fox, to which she replied: "It's sitting on my desk right now to review".
Comment: I have never seen a video in a DYK set, but WP:DYKIMG implies that videos are allowed ("an associated image or other piece of media"). Of course, Bondi in this video denies saying what she said in the Fox interview, but as far as I can tell the mainstream sources concur that she did say it; I included the word "apparently" just in case.
I appreciate the created by credit, however, I only added two sentences to the article so it should probably just stay with the other three. Thank you for thinking of me, though! Chetsford (talk) 17:01, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I very much doubt that. Most people are not US Americans; only about 4% are. Most readers of this Wikipedia are not US Americans; only about 25% are. And even among those, I dare say that most do not know this. Surtsicna (talk) 22:21, 23 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It is global news, especially in the areas most enwiki readers are from. It's being reported by the newspapers of record in Australia, Brazil, China, France, India, and these are just the countries I checked.
And even among [USians], I dare say that most do not know this.
Huh, I didn't know that; it does seem like a tabloid. I feel obliged to apologize to something about this.
Also, I don't know how this happened but on review I only searched for links about Trump being told his name appears in the list. Though I'm still not sure it's considered interesting, I'll withdraw my opposition then. Aaron Liu (talk) 02:17, 5 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
What I saw here was a hook about a highly controversial subject with questions being raised about whether the hook is misleading, about WP:NPOV, about the wording of the hook, and about whether we should run the video. These are questions that need to be resolved, and it's much easier to resolve them here at the nomination page where there's no time pressure than to do it on the queue, where the clock is ticking down to when it hits the main page. RoySmith(talk)19:05, 7 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Amakuru, would rewording "(video featured)" resolve your concerns? I see now that I originally suggested "(in the video)" after Bondi's name. See above. I am open to other suggestions too, of course. Surtsicna (talk) 21:19, 7 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @Surtsicna:, speaking personally I would be happy with a change to "(video featured)", I'm not convinced there are any wider issues with the hook or article. It is possible to report the whole timeline of events without necessarily implying Bondi is lying or anything - it is well sourced at [8] and other places that she apparently answered a question about the client list by saying it was on her desk and then later said she meant something else. I'm not convinced it's a BLP violation or that this amounts to an accusation of perjury in WikiVoice... Politicians do this sort of obfuscation all the time AFAIK and you can hide almost anything under cover of vague language 🙃
As for what to say about the video, I think something along the lines you said at WT:DYK would be good. Let readers know this her later explanation rather than the original statement about the files being on her desk. Cheers — Amakuru (talk) 07:04, 8 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
AirshipJungleman proposed a hook on WT:DYK that I think with a bit of modification works:
ALT1b: ... that months after the US Attorney General stated that the Jeffrey Epstein client list was "sitting on my desk", she said her remark had been misinterpreted (video featured)?
You can't say that she "stated" that the list was sitting on her desk because she says she didn't say that. That's why I formulated ALT1 as I did. But you could go with:
@Surtsicna, I think I already stated in the WT:DYK discussion that I didn't see any problems with the original hook. However the hook has been pulled and I think it's best to find an alternative which is not going to get pulled again. TarnishedPathtalk00:16, 9 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, TarnishedPath, and you also approved it as reviewer. It was pulled because of "a lot of disagreement" and I would like to ascertain who actually disagrees with the original hook. If the original hook is within policy, I would much prefer to run it as the most interesting one. Surtsicna (talk) 08:50, 9 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Amakuru objected to the original hook because it didn't fully jell with the featured video clip. I then objected to use of the word "apparently" as arguably both a POV term and one at variance with the requirement that hooks be comprised of "definite facts" per WP:HOOK. So for all those reasons, I don't think ALT0 is viable. Gatoclass (talk) 11:12, 9 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, Gatoclass. Is it not possible to mention that the Department of Justice declared that the list did not exist instead of Bondi claiming that her statement was misinterpreted? TarnishedPath, I feel like politicians claiming that their remarks were misinterpreted is far too common to be particularly interesting. Perhaps the concerns of both Gatoclass and Amakuru could be resolved with ALT2: ... that months after US Attorney General Pam Bondi said in response to a question about the Epstein client list that "it's sitting on my desk", her department declared the list non-existent (Bondi explaining in video)? No "apparently", no simple "video featured". Surtsicna (talk) 13:43, 9 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That wouldn't work Surtsicna because the video does not even mention the JD. If you wanted to include the JD info, IMO you would have to go back to the original ALT1, ie:
And that, as I am sure you will agree, would raise eyebrows due to extreme length. So again the issue is just how to introduce the video. ALT2a: ... that months after US Attorney General Pam Bondi(in video) said in response to a question about the Epstein client list that "it's sitting on my desk", her department declared the list non-existent? Does this not cut it? Amakuru? This just says that she is in the video, right? The caption of the video can go into detail if it needs to. Surtsicna (talk) 18:56, 9 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'd be OK with that if that's what will find compromise, even though I don't particularly onject to the original hook either. It would be ideal to clarify that the Bondi video is related to the incident, rather than just any old video that she happens to be in, but we can sort that with a caption if necessary, as you mention. — Amakuru (talk) 20:40, 9 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that the flatbread luchi is typically five to six inches in diameter, but a version served in one village is as small as one inch?
Source: [9]In appearance a luchi is a round golden disc, 12.5–15 cm (5–6") in diameter … Ray, Pranab (July 1987). Banglar Khabar বাংলার খাবার [Food of Bengal] (in Bengali). Kolkata: Sahityolok. pp. 32–34.
Comment: I will note, I partially translated this article from the Bengali Wikipedia, which cites some sources I cannot access online. I have submitted a WP:RX request to access the cited pages, but it's unlikely I'll access it within one week, so this DYK will have to involve some heavy AGF.
5x expanded by Vigilantcosmicpenguin (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 44 past nominations.
QPQ is done. Page was promoted to GA recently enough and is long enough. Hook checks out and is interesting. I think that this would be good for July 23. I think it's good to go! ArtemisiaGentileschiFan (talk) 12:34, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I took issue with the specific hook wording. I think it would have come across as repeating the rumor with only a weasel phrase of "some people think" – not that that was the intent, of course. jlwoodwa (talk) 23:06, 11 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I only agree with the pull in the sense that for a BLP claim live on the Main Page, erring on the side of caution is almost never a bad move. But on the merits, I think this could have stayed. This is a conspiracy theory so notable that it has a well-documented article, and I don't know why the ERRORS complaints seem to imply that there's something unduly negative about being a closeted gay man. We would be very, very far from the first publication to speculate on Styles and Tomlinsons' sexualities. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 03:08, 12 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I understand a wish to be careful in the BLP-area, but to me this appears similar to stating "Flat-earthers believe that..." and not that big a deal. This belief is well documented, even in scholarly literature. The CT-objects may very well find the attention caused by publishing the DYK annoying, but that doesn't depend on the choice of hook. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:53, 12 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That lots of publications have posted speculations doesn't really concern us, we also don't (or shouldn't) post the name of crime suspects even when they are mentioned in many sources. There are conspiracy theories about Michelle Obama or Brigitte Macron being closeted transsexuals, we don't post such things on the main page despite there being absolutely nothing wrong with being either trans or being closeted about it (for all clarity, the claims about those two are pure nonsense of course). See Transvestigation. BLPs shouldn't be named on the Main Page in relation to conspiracy theories about their sexuality or gender. Find a hook without this angle, or don't run it at all. I am rather offended by your "I don't know why the ERRORS complaints seem to imply that there's something unduly negative about being a closeted gay man." No, there is something unduly negative about trying to forcibly out supposedly closeted gay men, or to give extra prominence to such efforts. There is something unduly negative about inisting that two people have a relationship when they have repeatedly denied this: even if one or both of them are gay (or bi or whatever), that doesn't mean that they are or have been involved with each other. To quote from the Harry Styles article: The theory, mainly proliferated on social media, has led to online bullying and harassment of Styles's and Tomlinson's friends, family, and girlfriends. But sure, put it on the Main Page, and imply that the one opposing this is homophobic. Fram (talk) 09:40, 12 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
What about WP:NOTCENSORED? Recently there was bit of a discussion on Main Page talk about the FA, a person who murdered a king. There was overwhelming consensus that despite the OP's concerns that Wikipedia was glorifying the person, the article was there simply because it was of FA quality, and Wikipedia is not one to shy away from controversial subject matters. Anyways, that being said, I do get the distinction between the page of a guy who is now dead, and the page about a theory about two very much living people - I'm fine with the first hook not running (and not bring undue attention to the contents of the theory), but I still think ALT1 is fine as the page is mostly about the people who believe in the theories (I mean, it's called Larries, not Larry Stylinson). jolielover♥talk09:50, 12 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Leeky caldron's "imply" argument is disgusting and baseless. Leeky's argument is not only a breach of good faith, but it is of a piece with this subject, where accusations of homophobia are trot out to defend the conspiracy theory. The article fails NPOV especially in the lead, where you have no idea there is intense opposition and even more, it has involved a campaign of harassment of living people. The article should be reworked to focus on the the fan-base, and the consequences. Alanscottwalker (talk) 10:28, 12 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Alanscottwalker: I personally saw the lead as concise and adequate (it does mention repeated denials), but nevertheless added what you mentioned. I don't really know what more of "consequences" to add - there's quite a bit on the harassment, denials from both of them, and further media impact (Euphoria episode). I'm fairly certain all sources talking about the theory in depth are in the article and I don't think there's any more juice you can squeeze from those oranges. jolielover♥talk10:43, 12 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
No, that lead implied there was no opposition. And even with the changes after my comment, the lead still does not mention the opposition, the "antiLarries". Again it should be reworked to focus on the fan-base. Also, the denial was presented more like an afterthought, in a minimizing clause and while that's somewhat better, now, the denial should be given more prominence. -- Alanscottwalker (talk) 11:02, 12 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Whatever you "as a group" means, you can't be serious that the opposition is not also covered. (And you just said they exist, so they are covered.)-- Alanscottwalker (talk) 11:28, 12 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
...I said they exist since I've seen them on Twitter. "Antis" are prominent in Tomlinson's solo fanbase, you'll find them often calling out Larries and they have their own little community. I've observed this as a fan of Tomlinson. That's not coverage you can put in an article. And like Gråbergs Gråa Sång said, coverage about the people against Larries isn't frequent since, quite frankly, they're not as obnoxiously vocal as Larries are. This is the internet we're talking about, of course the people proposing an outlandish conspiracy theory will get more interactions and people writing about them. The main opposition covered is from band members and their friends, which is reasonable. But hey: If a researcher is reading this, interviewing prominent "antis" would also be interesting. Re the lead: A NEUTRAL summary means neutral on both sides, meaning a middle ground between the people who believe it and the people who don't. Writing "falsely believe" isn't neutral; shipping conspiracy theorists is more so. I hate to say it, but I suppose you can't definitely prove that what they're saying is not true. Yes, theories about the management and SC closeting them well over a decade after 1D ended is... ludicrous, putting is mildly, but there's always that 0.000000001% chance of it being true. The true neutral is to revert back to simply "shipping conspiracy theorists". E.g., Paul is dead and the numerous other dead celebrity hoaxes are very obviously not true to most people, but the lead doesn't say it's false, it simply says that it's an urban legend and conspiracy theory - whatever you interpret from those words are up to you. jolielover♥talk13:50, 12 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
WP:FALSEBALANCE isn't the goal here, though. Compare, for example, chemtrails (WP:OTHERCONTENT, I know). A CT does not get "neutral on both sides, meaning a middle ground between the people who believe it and the people who don't." on WP. That said, adding "who falsely believe" doesn't seem necessary to me, CT makes that clear enough. But if it makes people happy, I won't fight it. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:04, 12 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
People not believing in a CT doesn't generally get a lot of coverage, since they are boring and uninteresting to write about. Who reads an article dedicated to people who think the moon landings happened? The CT people is what gets the coverage. "Larries are shipping conspiracy theorists" does not imply to me there is no opposition, it implies these people are cuckoo. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:58, 12 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Come on. We are not talking non-belief, we are talking controversy. A controversy involves sides, dissecting it involves, examining them. You can and do find the opposition in the sources that talk about the conspiracy theorists. As for your personal take, I have no idea, but we should not leave such a thing to implication, especially not for living people. As a separate point on denial, while denial is evidence for the conspiracy, because that's how conspiracies theories work, we don't treat and should not treat them as evidence for the conspiracy. 'And the Picture! The Picture Proves it!' We need to tread much more carefully under the BLP policy. Alanscottwalker (talk) 12:10, 12 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Well, when I edited the article I tried to summarize the WP:RS I had found, and I think the others who edited a lot tried the same. But we are Wikipedians, we are imperfect. If you want to emphasize somehow for example that Tomlinson absolutely not had a fake baby, you can. I wonder if we have wandered off from the purpose of this discussion page, though. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:53, 12 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Well, my objections I think are made, and if you have taken them personally, well don't. They are critiques of the article. (and by the way, I was not saying boost coverage of living people in any way, I explicitly said, focus on the fandom in its complexity, and what the consequences have been). Alanscottwalker (talk) 13:02, 12 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I assumed earlier that the objections were based on WP:DYKBLP, which prohibits unduly negative hooks – I thought that'd be ridiculous, and it was and the objections aren't actually based on that. My bad, Fram, Alan, and others. I'm sympathetic to wanting to protect Styles and Tomlinson's privacy, but I don't see simply acknowledging the conspiracy theory in a hook as inherently and unduly negative; if the existence of a hook were undue, the existence of an article would also be undue, unless the hook were slanted relative to the article, which it isn't. I don't see a purely privacy-based reason BLP would prohibit running any hook of this kind, either. If the article and hook just need to be reworked to stress the baselessness of the allegations, I'm fine with that, but that's not an argument for never running some variation on the hook, which is where the discussion started. If we want to not run this IAR, it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world to me – I've always been a little queasy on NOTCENSORED – but if I had to pick a controlling policy here, it'd be that one, because I don't see the BLP objections as firmly supported by text. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 18:35, 12 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
In the encyclopedia, we cover all kinds of topics, without censoring. On the main page, and especially by picking DYK hooks, we use our own editorial judgment which elements we want to highlight (a FA summary is an overview of the main aspects of the article, a DYK hook is a random fact from the article). Not highlighting aspects which have e.g. caused major distress to BLPs (without them being the cause of their own distress) is being responsible with the power you get to put such tidbits before millions of people. To illustrate it with an extreme: "did you know that recent murder victim X was raped and partially eaten alive before her death" may be 100% correct and included in the article, but it would be IMO a blockable offense to put it on the main page, as it is not the kind of thing you would want any relatives or friends of the victim to confront with on our main page. Obviously this one here is less extreme, but it is clear that "notcensored" doesn't mean that we shouldn't use some restraint when picking a hook or even an article to highlight. Fram (talk) 07:21, 13 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Chipmunkdavis: Not a review, but for an event as significant as this, and for a country with a rich history like PNG (and a good article at that), surely there are several other hooks that can be proposed here? Frankly, I'm not a fan of a hook simply saying that the country gained independence 50 years ago when there are many, many other possibilities. Plus, the request is for it to run on September 16, which is far beyond the DYKSO limit, so a WT:DYK discussion granting an exemption is needed here. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:37, 25 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There is already consensus for a themed set, and September 16 is only 3 days out from two months of promotion and the nomination was within two months. Lots of potential hooks of course, it just seemed a really nifty way to introduce the set. CMD (talk) 13:52, 25 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough, but I really don't think this is the best hook for the article. Given how PNG is already a good article, it is realistically not going to have another shot at DYK. Do you have any other options? I am rejecting the hook on interest grounds. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:05, 25 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Anyone is welcome to suggest other options. This is going to be the most flexible article of any PNG set by default, so it will likely be the easiest to adjust for set balance. CMD (talk) 14:25, 25 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I think I can help out. ALT1: that over 800 languages are spoken in Papua New Guinea?
Alternatively, ALT1b: that Papua New Guinea, despite having only 11.7 million people, speaks over 800 languages?
Comment: ALT1 may be quite the quirky (designed to be a play on wrestling WWE Elimination Chamber), but it also will likely end up being changed to past tense if we have to wait until April 1 to run it. If we do, the article title will be KUCU by then. ALT2 is my last resort?
5x expanded by Sammi Brie (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 785 past nominations.
ALT1: ... that actress Jessica Ellis has a phobia of ears? Source: Bayley, Nikki (27 January – 2 February 2018). "You ask...they answer! Jessica Ellis". Inside Soap. No. 4. pp. 54–55.
ALT2: ... that actress Jessica Ellis struggles to have sympathy for other people when they are unwell as she does not get sick often? Source: Bayley, Nikki (27 January – 2 February 2018). "You ask...they answer! Jessica Ellis". Inside Soap. No. 4. pp. 54–55.
Comment: Let me know if I should propose another hook. I can send a screenshot of the magazine interview verifying ALT1 and ALT2 via email for verification.
Improved to Good Article status by DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 27 past nominations.
Giving this a full review. The article was promoted to good article status on July 14th and was nominated on the 16th, so it's within the one-week limit. I did not find any close paraphrasing and any hits were only due to quotes. A QPQ has been done; it's admittedly a little light for my taste as it did not explicitly check all the DYK criteria (particularly about hook sourcing), but I will accept it this time, with a note to the nominator to be more complete next time. I did mention earlier that I thought a shortened version of ALT0 would make a good hook, but I do think that ALT1 is the best option and thus is the only one I'm approving. It is cited inline to an offline source. I will approve this once an excerpt stating the information is provided here (a short quote should be sufficient, no need to send the entire magazine interview). Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:19, 25 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Narutolovehinata5: Thank you so much for the review. I have given the quote below. I was happy with the shortened version of ALT0 too but I think ALT1 is more interesting. Regarding the QPQ - I am a bit confused on what I did wrong as I checked all the criteria (QPQ, Earwig, sourcing etc)?
""Do you think you would make a good nurse in real life?" "Absolutely not! I have a phobia of ears. Also I'm never ill, so I don't have much sympathy for other people when they have colds or whatever. Being sympathetic is one of the foundations of being a nurse, and I don't have it in me"."
@Narutolovehinata5: You said above that "A QPQ has been done; it's admittedly a little light for my taste as it did not explicitly check all the DYK criteria (particularly about hook sourcing), but I will accept it this time, with a note to the nominator to be more complete next time.". What changed?--Launchballer12:30, 3 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Launchballer: Ah never mind that. Admittedly it had been a while since I took at the nomination, and I completely forgot that I accepted the QPQ this time. My original intention was to ping the nominator if he read my response. Apologies for the confusion. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:32, 3 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I was just waiting for an acknowledgement of the advice regarding more complete QPQs. The actual article and nomination have no more issues and it's ready for approval (I have also struck the other hooks to make it clear that only ALT1 is approved). Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:13, 10 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I did not know I had to reply. I have acknowledge the advice about QPQ - in my review, I did not all the things that you have said, I simply did not write them out, but I will next time. DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 04:53, 11 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The article is new enough (created on 15 July 2025), long enough (1584 characters of prose), but the article still has some issues with sourcing and correct representation of the information in the sources. Here are four issues that I think should be fixed: (1) The article gives an English name Against the Tide and a Dutch name Tegen alle stromen in. The third name Against All Currents is based on two sources giving the same quote, so this may simply have been a one-time mistake. The fourth name Peter R. de Vries monument is unsourced. I think the sourcing of the alternative names needs to be improved or these names should be removed. (2) The sentence "De Vries was the third person associated with the Marengo trial to be slain." could be read as if De Vries had a different role than journalist in this organized crime trial. I think this should be avoided or clarified based on reliable sources. (3) The two sentences "The sculpture bears the words 'be who you are, stand up for minorities and the less fortunate, speak your mind honestly, and listen to your sense of justice.' in 41 languages. The quote came from a departing message to his two children." are based on one source that is not evidently reliable (Walaw) and one source that doesn't fully support this information. I understand that De Vries had lost consciousness when he was shot, so I don't believe there could have been a departing message. The text seems to be based on various remarks/messages that De Vries has said or the sorts of things he used to say to his children. The NOS article highlights three. So I think these sentences should be copyedited to display the correct information and be based on reliable sources only. (4) The sentence "The creation of the sculpture is the subject of a Dutch language documentary film by Nederlandse Publieke Omroep, the Dutch Foundation for Public Broadcasting." is unsourced. Could you fix these issues and make sure the article remains long enough for the purpose of this DYK nomination?
The hook is interesting and short enough, but the image detracts attention from the bold-linked article, so it should not be included. Maybe "the sculpture" could be included for clarity, what do you think of ALT2?
Source: "They established their camp in the Galuma cave, but Meyer spent the night of August 30 in a bivouac at 14,290 feet from which he visited the lower part of the Drygalski glacier." JSTOR1791652
Comment: Sorry this is late - I was misled by the DYKCheck tool, which only flags articles as out of date if it's more than ten days since creation/expansion. Obviously I've been involved with DYK quite a bit in the past, but I don't submit articles very often and I made a good-faith assumption that the rules had been changed since I last submitted one.
5x expanded by Amakuru (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 18 past nominations.
The article has been sufficiently expanded and looks perfectly presentable, with excellent sources. Thank you, Amakuru. We can certainly cope with a couple of days of tardiness. I am not convinced, however, that the proposed hook is the best we can come up with from such an interesting article. (What even is a bivouac?) I think the disappearance of the glacier would make a much more attractive hook. What do you say? Also, is this the glacier? It is tagged as such. If it is, it might be possible to request the photograph from the author. Surtsicna (talk) 10:58, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Right! We did not establish that the photos are okay and that neither Earwig nor spotchecks suggest any close paraphrasing issues. I confirm that they are! Also, QPQ is done‐if we can forgive Amakuru for not stating that Operation Security and Order is long enough and new enough! Surtsicna (talk) 14:34, 25 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@AirshipJungleman29: I'm not seeing anything in the article that would meet DYKINT except maybe the following:
ALT1 ... that Julia Hagen began playing the cello at the age of four?
It's still somewhat specialist, since the reader would need to imagine a cello and think about how big it is, but the article is light on personal information or pretty much anything other than her career. It's basically a resume in prose. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:39, 25 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Boring even for me (she wouldn't have started playing on a full-size cello, would she?), and Gerda will reject it out of hand. As above, I asked her if she could find an interesting hook or if she wanted the nomination to be closed. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 12:44, 25 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Another possibility could be to ask another editor, perhaps 4meter4, to expand the article and perhaps include something hookworthy, but I'm not sure if that is feasible. The article already has other issues even without taking into account DYKINT concerns: the article just barely meets WP:DYKCOMPLETE in my eyes as it at least mentions her year of birth and when she started playing music, but the article otherwise does not have any information about her personal life. There is also a citation needed tag that needs to be addressed regardless of the outcome of this nomination. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:48, 25 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Alright, I was trying my best to avoid another 40,000kb mess of a review, but since you seem obsessed with going down that route, I'll let you handle it from here. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 12:54, 25 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Eh, I just offered it as an option. I was not planning to review this (and since I proposed a hook option, I wouldn't have been allowed to do so anyway). Frankly, there is simply nothing else in the article that meets DYKINT. Unless the article is expanded to include more details, it is probably better to just mark this for closure now and put it out of its misery, than to have yet another long and protracted discussion. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:57, 25 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
(referring to the deleted comment: I now was able to nominate Béatrice Uria-Monzon for GA, and to think.) I think that this concert not only impressed me, but was a key point in her career. Being chosen by Arte is like a prize in a competition, if not better. We can have it short, if that helps, if cello is a no-no-word and the names of a leading orchestra and a conductor who is in the news are not wanted, although they would show the quality of the event:
The last one is not only a bit quirky, but also shows that she was accepted as an equal partner by one from the generation of her teachers. To peek into the interior of the building that Wilhelm II regarded as the most beautiful spa in Europe (as a DYK had) might be interesting for a wide readership. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:54, 26 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
None of these hooks are likely to interest readers without familiarity with classical music, nor would they understand the hook just from reading it. Channels livestream or broadcast performances all the time, and it is not obvious or clear why Hagen's performance, out of all performances, is more special or unusual than any other Arte broadcast (if they even know what Arte is). Most readers have no idea who Capuçon is or why being part of his class is significant. Gerda, please, I suggest you just let this one go and focus your attention on other articles that may have material that is more suitable for DYK. Not all articles are appropriate for DYK, and as currently written, this is one of those cases. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:39, 26 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I think you underestimate readers' willingness to click on a link to learn something new. They don't have to know about the violinist but can get to know him. They don't have to know a hall but if they see it's spectacular they may want to learn more about it. If we limit what we may say to what people know already, aren't we too narrow? Censoring? Don't we fail what the "know" in DYK is about? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:11, 26 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I will just leave it at this: the fact that most of your articles underperform with readers, unless they're image hooks or are using wordings proposed by other editors, suggests that most of them are not interested enough by your hooks to want to read the article and learn more. Anyway, I genuinely do not see anything in the article that meets our interestingness criterion, nor do I see a path forward for this. As such, in the interest of wanting to prevent another long discussion, I am closing this. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:30, 26 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I actually thought the cello option was fine and suggested a hook about it above, but AJ29 rejected that option as uninteresting, and Gerda would have surely rejected it, so that angle is a nonstarter. It's probably for the best to just let this one go unfortunately. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:40, 26 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It would still be better if we linked to the maker, which would tell us that it's a precious instrument from a notable company, not just some everyday cello which happens to have a timestamp on it.
Clarifying: several Stradivari cellos were made around the time, but Ruggeri is less commonplace, so singles her out more, so is more interesting. - I also think that currently is redundant to "plays". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:26, 6 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ps: I see five cellists with an article (besides her) who play a cello by Rugeri/Ruggeri. DYK that a violin that Joseph Joachim played - remember: the violinist to whom Brahms dedicated the Double Concerto - was reassessed as a Rugeri? Small world. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:36, 6 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Gerda, the offer was for ALT3 only and my original offer for reopening explicitly excluded new wordings that added new hook facts. DYKTRIM is also a thing, and given how the hook fact works without Ruggeri being mentioned, it's arguably unnecessary. Hence, why the only hook that should be under consideration is ALT3. I do agree that ALT3 is a good hook and I would support it being approved as written, although I can't do it myself since I proposed the wording. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 05:48, 7 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know what you mean by "offer". It was offered to reopen the nomination. The conversation there was this:
That would be better than nothing. It would be more interesting I think if we knew how young she is, for contrast, - we could say "young Cellist" instead of "Austrian cellist", - I see no way of a nationality making any hook about a musician better. It would still be better if we linked to the maker, which would tell us that it's a precious instrument from a notable company, not just some everyday cello which happens to have a timestamp on it.
I think that's an interesting hook; I'd probably be intrigued enough by the thought of such an antique instrument still being in daily use to give it a click. UndercoverClassicistT·C18:33, 6 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I see two editors open to the idea that ALT3a is more interesting. I try to say it softly again: naming the maker is more interesting. (Those not interested in such things can easily ignore the three words.) Please unstrike it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:29, 7 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
My reading of that discussion is that they were talking more about the hook fact (i.e. the cello being old) and not the mention of Rugeri. When I made the offer to reopen, I explicitly excluded rewordings or additional details (hence why I said "only as written, and not counting rewordings"). Proposing ALT3a and including Ruggeri's name went against that offer. If you want, in the interest of compromise and ending this long discussion, I am open to unstriking ALT3a, but I would rather have him unmentioned as I really don't think that his mention is important to the hook fact and I could see it being trimmed. I just want to ask you: yes or no, are you open to Rugeri not being mentioned? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 06:34, 7 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: May not prefer to run ALT2 as the source it uses was published before the park was opened, though there may be a source that details such info published after the park's opening. Also open to alter any of the above hooks. I shall review some hooks to cut the DYK backlog!
Improved to Good Article status by Icepinner (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 7 past nominations.
... that when viewed in perspective, a square can look like any convex quadrilateral?
Source: Francis, George K. (1987). A Topological Picturebook. New York: Springer-Verlag. p. 52.
ALT1: ... that baseball diamonds and boxing rings are square despite being named for other shapes? Source: Baseball: Battista, Michael T. (April 1993). "Mathematics in Baseball". The Mathematics Teacher. 86 (4): 336–342. doi:10.5951/mt.86.4.0336. JSTOR27968332. See p. 339. Boxing: Chetwynd, Josh (2016). The Field Guide to Sports Metaphors: A Compendium of Competitive Words and Idioms. Ten Speed Press. p. 122
ALT2: ... that the square shape of a go board symbolizes the earth, with its 361 crossings representing the days of a year? Source: Lang, Ye; Liangzhi, Zhu (2024). "Weiqi: A Game of Wits". Insights into Chinese Culture. Springer Nature Singapore. pp. 469–476. doi:10.1007/978-981-97-4511-1_38. ISBN 9789819745111. See page 472.
ALT3: ... that squares in graphic design convey a sense of stability, symmetry, and order? Source: Nyamweya, Jeff (2024). Everything Graphic Design: A Comprehensive Understanding of Visual Communications for Beginners & Creatives. Bogano. p. 78. ISBN 9789914371413.
ALT4: ... that that the surfaces that can be tiled by equal squares include the biscornu, a pincushion formed by sewing the corners of one square to the edge midpoints of another? Source: Seaton, Katherine A. (2021-10-02). "Textile D-forms and D 4d". Journal of Mathematics and the Arts. 15 (3–4): 207–217. arXiv:2103.09649. doi:10.1080/17513472.2021.1991134.
FWIW: I don't really like ALT1. A "diamond" is a very common name for a 45° tilted square (or more generally a rhombus with its vertices aligned up–down/left–right – like the card suit ♦), so not an "other shape" at all. (I don't like the claim in the article either.) The source only says that 'A major league baseball "diamond" is officially defined as a 90-foot square.' Which doesn't really support the claim that the word "diamond" is supposed to mean something else. The New English Dictionary has as a definition for the word "diamond" "5. A diamond-shaped figure, i.e. a plane figure of the form of a section of an octahedral diamond; a rhomb (or a square) placed with its diagonals vertical and horizontal; a lozenge. (In early use, a solid body of octahedral or rhombohedral form.)", with quotations going back 500 years. –jacobolus(t)16:04, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The name comes from the octahedral shape of diamonds, and has been routinely used for centuries to include squares oriented that way (as indicated by the NED definition I quoted). For example the original French name of the cards suit was carreau (lit. "square" or "tile"), and it was presumably adapted into English as "diamond" because of the orientation; historically the suit's shape was just a tilted square. –jacobolus(t)19:06, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know enough about art to say for certain which image is preferable. Thus, I am submitting both images that we have on commons. 4 of the 5 different language versions of the article use the one on the right.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 19:49, 23 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Cited: - The hook sentence is sourced to Fox News which is often considered unreliable.
Interesting:
Other problems: - The hook states the value in US$ when the transaction appears to have been in Euro (€). Per MOS:€ the Euro has equal standing with the dollar and is more appropriate in this case, being the actual currency used.
I reckon that the word national should be lower case when embedded in this sentence so, with that proviso and the currency being Euro, the ALT1b hook is ok.
user:Andrew Davidson, my only qualm with the higher resolution file is the brown strip across the top. I am wondering if we could get a better file somewhere. Since the intention is to get this a picture slot at DYK, I am going to check at commons and see if there is anything we can do.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:14, 24 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I came here to move this forward, but I'm not sure what the issue is here. Is it just about the image? If the image is an issue, the hook could run without it. For what it's worth, I do think ALT2 is good and meets our guidelines, including those regarding interest. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:43, 31 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
this and the image. I am going to visit the AIC on August 7 for a lecture on the painter of this image. I have requested that Canon send me a very fast prime lens (I am a member of Canon Professional Services which entitles me to request that they send me almost any piece of equipment to evaluate once for 10 days) to improve the image. They are going to ship (probably overnight) the lens next Monday. Currently, we have the low res image, high res with a band and cropped high res. I hope to get really good image. This is a really great picture slot hook. The main page viewers like high art. I'm pretty sure the hook will get 10k plus views in the picture slot, given my history with high art.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 12:53, 31 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If the issue here is about images, couldn't the hook just run without a picture? That's an option, and there's no guarantee that this would run with an image anyway even if it was promoted. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 05:52, 7 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I replied to you with a diff with an edit summary adding a second article. So obviously a second article needs to be reviewed. I do also think this article would be served by a better pic and am going to an event at the Art Institute of Chicago today to try to take one. This article is less than three weeks old, so what is the rush to get this to the approved section without making it the best article we can.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 19:36, 7 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
UPDATE I did attend a lecture today at the Art Institute of Chicago. I also took my camera and got photos of 4 subjects, including Boating Party. The other three subjects are the three subjects that are in the Art Institute app 12-stop Essentials Tour that did not have any articles on WP before my visit there on July 19 (America Windows, User:TonyTheTiger/Sandbox/City Landscape and Buddha Shakyamuni). I have about 46.5 hours remaining to timely nominate America Windows at DYK, making that the most urgent of the photography subjects to get together. This could probably sit here for at least 30 days before it becomes untimely, so I would request that you give me 7-10 days to handle editing Boating Party pics.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 01:38, 8 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that in the autobiography 89th minute, former footballer Lê Công Vinh(pictured) criticised his teammate for not passing the ball to him?
Source: [12] (Everyone knows that Tai never passes the ball to me in Binh Duong. I just didn't expect that when he joined the national team, Tai still couldn't put aside his grudge against me to focus on the common goal)
ALT1: ... that former footballer Lê Công Vinh(pictured) was almost sued by his old teammate because of an autobiography? Source: [13] (Translated title: Le Huynh Duc sues Cong Vinh for writing an autobiography... half-truth?)
Reviewed:
Comment: (Edit: I request a rename of this nomination because the name of the page has been moved right after I submitted it to DYK, I also request the image to be removed per WP:DYKIMG, too.)
Created by KhoaNguyen1 (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
Source: In “relations with foreign nations,” the government was one “possessing the powers . . . for protection and security, . . . with authority to determine” when “the powers shall be called forth” and “the occasion” of their use. Congress’s decisions on such matters were “conclusive upon the judiciary” and all U.S. “departments and officers.” They were “not questions for judicial determination.” -Status Manipulation in Chae Chan Ping v. United States
Reviewed:
Improved to Good Article status by Irruptive Creditor (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
Comment, not review@CNMall41: this is not yet ready for DYK, the first problem is the article needs 1,500 characters of prose, but it only has 611 at present. I would recommend reading Wikipedia:Did you know/Guidelines, especially the articles and hooks sections. Also the hooks need to include a bold link to the article. TSventon (talk) 06:02, 21 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@TSventon:, thanks for the feedback. I was aware of the 1,500 based on the popup, but submitted anyway with the intent of adding the rest right after. My mind got twisted and I went to bed without doing it, so apologies for leaving it open ended like that. I have since expanded and also bolded the hooks based on my reading (which could be wrong) of WP:DYKHOOK. CNMall41 (talk) 17:32, 21 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Z1720: yes, my concerns have been resolved and this is ready for a full review. I am not sure whether a list with no inline citations for its members is suitable for DYK, but the reviewer can decide about that. TSventon (talk) 17:20, 29 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Just to clarify, I did include inline citations. I also verified there were previous lists used for DYK prior to filing as I wasn't sure myslef at first. CNMall41 (talk) 17:26, 29 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I think I misunderstood your original question, but re-reading, I see you said "members" of the list (aka, the courses). The prose is where the inline were placed, not the individual courses as they are all verifiable from the linked pages. No courses are on the list (nor should they be added to the list) that do not have a Wikipedia page. I cannot tell you for sure why the lists you cited included inline sources. I will assume that lists such as this are fully cited because there are a lot of redlinks. This and similar are fairly easy with only a dozen or so entries. List of golf courses in the United States has hundreds of entries which all correspond to a live Wikipedia page (note that I did not include those which were redirects yet still listed in the category for courses based on state). I am not sure if it is a requirement for DYK or not to be honest, but all members of the list are verifiable. CNMall41 (talk) 19:15, 29 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. I figured as must since it would similar to WP:GACR6. My interpretation is that it would not be reasonably challenged as the only claim is that a specific golf course is within a specific state as verified on that Wikipedia page for the course. But of course, that is just my opinion. Thanks for taking a look and getting me over the line to a review. CNMall41 (talk) 20:01, 29 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Apart from the sourcing issues, I have concerns about both hooks not meeting WP:DYKDEFINITE. Both numbers could easily change by the month, and they could easily be outdated. My suggestions would be to include an "as of" date as well as going with a less precise figure (i.e. over 1,200 or over 16,000). Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:24, 30 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Launchballer:, yes you are correct about the empty sections. Wikipedia has NO pages for golf courses in those states and I cannot locate any notable enough to create unfortunately. CNMall41 (talk) 21:30, 9 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Pangalau: Did the island become the sultan's palace or did it house his palace? I also don't seen an explicit mention of this hook in the article, i.e. that the island was (or housed) a palace during the war. Yue🌙02:05, 9 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
usual rule for dyk is that article has achieved ga. Not an absolute rule but certainly improves your chances. 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 13:59, 22 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Correction re GA accepted. But a dyk attracts attention to an article and I think it needs more "self-contained". Would a reader in Minnesota be able to get the essentials without having to read four or five more articles? (Conversely of course, would adding more background movement it to tl;dr territory?)
Comment 1 I would be concerned by the first DYK as potentially misleading (which is also why it is controversial). It is somewhat economical with the truth to say that it has "nothing to do with EU standards". It is that the product is not warranted to meet EU standards (unlike other UK products intended for export to the EU, which must be.)
Comment 2 re the Alt, the word slammed is v tabloid headline wording. And a single source, even though it is the CEO of a major retailer, is less than ideal. --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 15:54, 22 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I mean for ALT0, the source says "and it doesn’t relate to products not being up to EU standards". And for Alt1, I have decided to replace the word 'slam' with 'criticise' and to say a UK retailer instead. JuniperChill (talk) 16:27, 22 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT0a: ... that the "Not for EU" label does not relate to do with the UK not meeting EU food standards?
ALT1a: ... that a UK retailer have criticised the "Not for EU" label as it has one of the world's highest food standards?
ALT1: ... that the medieval theologian Erasmus believed that the English Votive Style of choral music lacked in religious devotion? Source: Mynors, R.A.B (1976). The Correspondence of Erasmus: Letters 298 to 445 (1514–1516). University of Toronto Press. pp. 279–282.
Comment: Article created by a new editor and found through WP:NPP, so I beg a couple of days extension to WP:DYKNEW, along with forgiveness from Eurostarguage if I've misunderstood anything in the article.
Created by Eurostarguage (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 26 past nominations.
... that one contemporary reviewer was suspicious of an unacknowledged translation of Les Malheurs de l'inconstance because "French principles and French depravity mark the whole work" ? Source: "This novel is a translation of “LES MALHEURS DE L’INCONSTANCE.”’.... Compare the suspicion of the Critical Review: ‘In looking over several of these letters, we are struck with almost a conviction that they are a translation, or at least a very strict imitation from the French’ (3rd ser. 19 (Apr 1810): 377–83 (p. 379))." [15]. Full 1810 review here
... that the Great Northern Rail Road almost came to Aeneas (pictured)?
Source: "Idaho, Montana, British Columbia, and Alaska; Republic May 5". The Spokesman-Review. Spokane, Washington: 7. May 8, 1908. Retrieved July 4, 2025 - RR suveyers scouted the route through the valley, but no like was built
ALT1: ... that "Anus valley" is not how Aeneas Valley in Washington (pictured) is pronounced? Source: Dever, Jim (February 21, 2023). "The residents of Aeneas Valley would really like you to get the name right". KING 5 Evening. Seattle, Washington. Retrieved July 11, 2025.
... that the Anthology of the Killer series creator improvised its game design by squeezing in more jokes and "arbitrarily" combining in-game locations?
Not a review, but per WP:DYKHOOKCITE, superlatives like "first X" are strongly discouraged in DYK hooks as it is hard to source them. I would suggest moving away from it and proposing something else. I could suggest proposing a hook based on Pope Leo XIV, but we've already had a few hooks about him recently, and him being an Augustinian is already fairly well-known, so that's a road that's already well-taken. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:53, 25 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Understandable, and that's why I wanted to highlight Atkinson rather than Leo. Would something like ALT1: ... that Bill Atkinson, a member of the Order of St. Augustine in the United States, was one of the first quadriplegic priest in the history of the Catholic Church after recieving special permission from Paul VI? Source: [16] (Swapped sources for one that includes all the assertions in the hook for the sake of simplicity)
... that Vanuatu's Tusker beer is named after the tusks of a pig, while Kenya's Tusker beer is named after the tusks of an elephant?
Source: "...Tusker Bitter, an easy drinking Australian style pilsner. The curved pig tusk is the greatest traditional symbol of wealth in Vanuatu." [1]
"Large male elephants are called ‘tuskers’ and the EABL lager (first brewed in 1929) was named in memory of George’s demise."[2] (in the Kenyan Tusker article)
ALT1: ... that Vanuatu's Tusker beer is named after the tusks of a pig, a traditional symbol of wealth? Source: Sources as above. I think the contrast between the two Tusker beers is what makes the hook interesting, but this is an alternative if we don't want to include the Kenyan Tusker article.
Thank you for article and hook, User:RobinIsadorable, - nice to meet you, and I agree with your user name ;) - The article is detailed and referenced throughout. I wonder about the pronoun, beginning with "their" but then "she"? - Please find something to link the article to. - Normally there would be a link to the performer. As they have no article, there should be a redirect from their name to this article, and the name should be bold. A bit more about the person (birth day or year, place of birth, education ...) would be nice. - The image is licensed and a good illustration. It would perhaps be stronger if cropped, because the detail on the left doesn't show well in stamp-size. I trimmed the caption. - We should not use a given name in the article once the full name was introduced, also no link is needed for New Yorl City. - A bit about the vocals would also be great. - The last refs should be in ascending order. - In the hook, perhaps you want to include something like insomnia, rather than all three outside sounds. - --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:04, 5 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that the 1926 book The New Household seeks to elevate housework to the status of serious professional labor?
Source: "The aim of her book is to contribute to the recognition of housewifery as 'the most serious professional work' (Meyer 1926, p. 3), in other words, to the professionalization of the housewife."Müller, p. 175
ALT1: ... that the 1926 book The New Household equates the kitchen with a factory-"the smallest factory in the world"-to challenge the idea that housework was unproductive? Source: "If housework, viewed as 'unproductive', had largely gone ignored in the past, Meyer's equation of the kitchen with the factory (the 'smallest factory in the world') was meant to promote the ideological appre- ciation of the work that housewives did." Spechtenhauser, p. 29
ALT2: ... that the 1926 book The New Household interprets hysteria as a sign of "unsatisfied domestic need"? Source: "Meyer demonstrated that hysteria and bad temper were symptoms of an “ unsatisfied domestic need, 'i.e. a sign of a poorly organized workplace'." Spechtenhauser, p. 29
hello, I am sorry for my inactivity. I have been doing quite a bit of schoolwork and can't find that much time to edit WP. I can get this done in a few days. ThatPB95FAN (the mailbox) 10:19, 4 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@TarnishedPath: I have been unable to find any other sources for two of the four citations. [39] has been replaced with a different newspaper, [43] has been supported with a press release from an MP (but original source still retained). however, for [40] and [41] I can find some material online (aka the announcements from the MPs) that supports what is said in the news articles, if you want me to show you. but if this isn't enough I can remove the content and either find a new hook or close the nom. ThatPB95FAN (the mailbox) 09:52, 6 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@ThatPB95 Fan, one of my concerns about the Herald Sun is that they have been known to publish extremely biased material, to the point of distorting facts, in regards to political opponents of the Liberal Party during election campaigns. See Herald Sun#Australian Greens policy on drugs for an example. Now in the sources in use in the article and for this hook we have reporting from the Herald Sun in regards to the Labor Party, an opponent party to the Liberal Party, around an election campaign. I'm unsure if @Icepinner should have passed this at the GA review. Perhaps you should start a discussion at WP:RS/N asking if the sources are reliable for the usage in this article. You only nominated this for DYK less than two weeks ago, so we have time to go to RS/N. TarnishedPathtalk22:22, 6 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Ok let me say this; Rail topics are typically neutral, though this is an exception given the Herald Sun publishes extremely biased content such that it often distorts facts. As I have stated before, I have gravely misinterpreted the consensus and therefore invite the removal of such source with a more reliable one. @ThatPB95 Fan: given that the sources are non-independent primary ones, I suggest proposing an alt hook, see my suggestion below. For the purpose of this discussion, I would also suugest opening a discussion on RSN as it allows you to hear different user's viewpoints, which will help with future articles (kindly link the discussion here as well). Icepinner22:47, 6 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
GA reviewer's comments: as the review for this article's GAN, I feel it is necessary to comment on this matter. @TarnishedPath: I have greatly misinterpreted the consensus and thus accept responsibility for this matter (I thought there was some tolerance on using it for basic information, similar to The New Paper). @ThatPB95 Fan: I agree with Tarnished's response; Please find reliable secondary sources to replace the Hearld Sun citations. Icepinner13:57, 5 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If getting rid of the Herald Sun meant a change in the hook, then that's all good. I'm sure there's more interesting about the subject matter than the opening of a second entrance. TarnishedPathtalk14:12, 5 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
maybe one about the omnibuses, maybe one about the signalling, but probably the only interesting part to me is the second entrance influencing a state election. ThatPB95FAN (the mailbox) 09:52, 6 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@ThatPB95 Fan: I think the Omnibus has potential, though it would make sense if the hook was for the service itself, not the station. The rail signalling is also interesting as a rail enthusiast, though you would have to make it simple enough to be understood by the general audience. Icepinner22:47, 6 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT4 is much more interesting than anything else. I would be happy to approve that once the question of the reliability of the Herald Sun is addressed. TarnishedPathtalk10:46, 7 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Probably, though it depends; In my experience, Singapore rail stations usually have an interesting tidbit (like Eunos MRT station), which mainly relies on the station art but can extend to other parts. However, this seems to be a regular train station. Compared to Preston railway station, Melbourne, where the station façade having coloured lines modelled after barcodes/the produce from the nearby market can be considered as "interesting", I unfortunately don't think there's anything in the article that could be considered "intereting" to the general audience. In line with Singapore, Aljunied MRT station basically has nothing that could be considered as "interesting" for DYK. Icepinner15:47, 5 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The nomination and article have multiple issues that need to be addressed before this can be approved. The most pressing right now is that no QPQ has been provided; the nomination will be closed within 24 hours if one is not given. Apart from the QPQ issue, there are also others: the source does not make it clear that the Essex International mentioned in the article is the same company as Superior Essex. The source to the "wiring products" claim is cited to a press release that is giving a 410 error; although a press release, if it was an uncontroversial claim, I'm willing to allow it. Otherwise, the article is new enough, long enough, and adequately sourced. It's a bit light on details especially regarding its failed release, but there's just enough of it to pass DYKCOMPLETE. ALT0 is too specialist and is thus rejected, while ALT1 is borderline; if this is approved, only ALT1 will remain for consideration. Also, while not exactly a disqualifying issue since it is not the bolded link, the article for Superior Essex has a big orange template at the top; one possible solution could be to remove Essex's name from the hook. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:27, 28 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If this is to run, the other possibility is this:
ALT1a ... that SX 200microcontroller was designed and built by a company mostly known for its wiring products?
The original review only checked article criteria (i.e. newness, length, etc.) but did not check other aspects like close paraphrasing, hook interest, inline citations, source verification, checking the QPQ, etc. Anyway, I see that you've done a checklist review, so that should suffice for now, this is just a reminder for next time. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:58, 29 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Other problems: - Earwig picks up 55% similarity to JIGGER (October 17, 1944) from block quotes. It also picks up 26.5% in Guidi 2022. from another block quote. This article has a lot of block quotes. It looks like 10% of the article is block quotes alone; there's even one in the lead. I do not feel comfortable approving this DYK when many of these can be paraphrased and cut down. There are also multiple unsourced sentences in this article.
Other problems: - I cannot access the source provided to verify the hook as both Safari and Chrome are blocking my access as the website's certificate is invalid. Can you link another source?
Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
(There seems to be much discussion about the article I didn't nominate and no discussion at all about the article I did nominate, August Del Gracio, who I think is more interesting than this guy.)
I'll admit it, I friggin love quotes. There are a couple of really saucy ones here that we need to keep, like Anslinger's quote. But yeah, we can paraphrase some of them. However, all of my Bacula notes are on my desktop back in California, and I'm still in Vermont with my laptop until the 16th.
As for a source to the trafficking volume, here is another one: https://archives.ungeneva.org/illicit-traffic-activities-of-carlos-fernandez-bacula . The source for the tonnage is literally on the first page of the Opium Advisory Committee (OAC) file, a French language newspaper clipping that the OAC inserted after his conviction. If you don't know French, the phrase is "d'une tonne et demie d'héroïne" which just means a ton and a half.
I can read French real easy, but I tried to write an article over on fr.wikipedia and they basically told me never to write in French until I was more advanced, haha.
Also, if you want to go with the hook, I have suggestion for alt: include the word "Peruvian Diplomat," somewhere in the hook.
... that Tyla was criticized on Twitter after saying that the "we wanna party" chant was South African? Source: Briefly (archived): A Nigerian user on X accused Tyla of being malicious or dense for saying "we wanna party is South African. The netizen pointed out that Nigerian musicians have used the same chant, including Rema and Ayra Starr. The poster concluded by saying that Tyla's claim that the chant was South African was weird.
... that when Muş was besieged in the 850–855 Armenian Revolt, the winter conditions were so severe that many fighters lost fingers to frostbite?
Source: Shahinyan 2008, p. 111.: Как только наступила зима и выпал снег... жители Арминийи... явились к нему (Йусуфу А.Ш.) в столицу Таруна и осадили его. Йусуф выступил из города и сразился с ними, но они убили его и всех, кто воевал с ним... Большинство их погибло от холода и у многих из них отвалились пальцы [Translation: As soon as winter came and snow fell... the inhabitants of Arminiya came to him [Yusuf] in the capital of Taron and besieged him. Yusuf came out of the city and fought them, but they killed him and all who fought with him... Most of them died from cold and many had their fingers fall off]
ALT1: ... that Abbasid forces killed 50,000 residents of Tiflis when they sacked the city in 853? Source: Shahinyan 2008, pp. 112–113.: Пришел сюда (Буга А. Ш.) и осадил город Тбилиси, ибо не повиновался ему эмир Саак. Убил Саака, сокрушил Тбилиси, предал огню и разорил все окрестности его [Translation: "Bugha came here and besieged the city of Tbilisi, because emir Saak did not obey him. He killed Saak, crushed Tbilisi, set it on fire and devastated all its surroundings"] – Мусульманские авторы не скрывают количество заживо сгоревших жителей Тифлиса (Тбилиси) 50 тыс.[Translation: "Muslim authors do not hide the number of Tiflis (Tbilisi) , 50,000 residents burned alive"]
ALT2: ... that by the end of the 850–855 Armenian Revolt, most members of the nobility were the captives of the Abbasid caliph? Source: Ter-Ghewondyan 1976, pp. 43–44: Page 43: "All the leading Armenian nakharars had been taken prisoners — Page 44: "Bugha left Armenia in A.D. 855. All the leading Armenian nakharars had been taken prisoners, Laurent 1919, pp. 118–124: Page 122-123: "Quand l'opération fut terminée, en 855, on voyait à Samara le prince de Vaspouragan Achot Ardzrouni, avec son fils Grégoire, son frère Gourguen et sa mère Riphsimè; le prince de Taron, Bagarat Bagratouni... avec ses fils Achot et David... le prince de Bagaran, Sembat Bagratouni, généralissime des Arméniens; les princes de Siounie Vasak, Achot, Grégoire et Philippe... les princes Aternersch de Katchen et Sahl de Chaké... Tous avaient été emmenés avec leurs familles, y compris les femmes, avec leurs troupes nobles et avec leurs évêques."[Translation: "When the operation was completed in 855, one could see in Samarra... [long list of Armenian nobles]... All had been taken away with their families, including the women, with their noble troops and with their bishops."].
ALT3: ... that the subjugation of the 850–855 Armenian Revolt allowed several Arab tribes to seize territory in Armenia? Source: Ter-Ghewondyan 1976, pp. 44.: All the leading Armenian nakharars had been taken prisoners and the time had apparently come for the Arab settlers to make the most of the situation. The local Arabs had contributed in every way to the advance of Bugha's army, and gradually increased their own holdings.An important result of Bugha's expedition was thus the spread of the domination of the Arab emirs in Armenia. In addition to the 'Uthmanids, the Shaybani and the Sulami also extended their domains.
ALT1: ... that Nagi Inoue released her first photo book, titled "Monologue", recorded weekly sales of 92,000 copies, ranking first in the Oricon Weekly Book Ranking and the photobook category?
Not a review, but "former child actor before becoming a Japanese idol" is commonplace so I don't think ALT0 meets WP:DYKINT. Oh, and I fixed ALT0 to make sure the person's full short name is shown, as is the default norm on DYK. ミラP@Miraclepine14:23, 27 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Looking at the article again, there are two issues. One is that there is an empty Discography section, which would make the article fail WP:DYKCOMPLETE, and the second and more pressing one is that there doesn't seem to be anything else that meets DYKINT. Perhaps something about her mother being against her initial audition, but that's it. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:16, 10 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: To do QPQ within a day or two. The expansion appears to only be about ~4.7 rather than 5.0 -- maybe we could IAR? I don't think there's much more to add.
5x expanded by BeanieFan11 (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 400 past nominations.
... that in the 1920s Ted Towendolly, a Native American, pioneered a fishing technique nearly identical to the popular European nymphing style that developed independently in the 1980s?
Source: "It’s known by many names: Tight-line nymphing, short-line nymphing, high-stick nymphing, pocket water nymphing, and even Czech Nymphing. But in the end, they are all the same deadly nymphing technique that was first fished on the banks of Northern California’s Upper Sacramento River as far back as the 1920s at the hands of Wintu Indian Ted Towendolly" from Ted Towendolly and the Origin of Short-Line Nymphing on the Upper Sac
ALT1: ... that Native American Ted Towendolly pioneered a fly fishing technique that was independently reinvented in Europe fifty years later?
ALT2: ... that Native American Ted Towendolly pioneered a fly fishing technique that was unknowingly reinvented by a Polish fisherman more than fifty years later?
Reviewed:
Created by Sonovawolf (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
Comment: @Sonovawolf: This is an interesting topic related to simultaneous invention. I see some grammar issues and a need for copyedits throughout the article, mostly for minor things like commas, paragraphs (the paragraph in "Legacy" could be split in two), contractions, and other routine MOS concerns. As for the hook, try some alternates like: "... that Native American Ted Towendolly pioneered a fly fishing technique that was independently reinvented in Europe fifty years later?" Viriditas (talk) 10:44, 11 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hey @Viriditas: thank you for your comment! I've updated the hook. I've also made the changes you suggested and followed the MOS more closely: I've removed contractions, styled dates more consistently, broke up long paragraphs, etc. Let me know if you think it needs more changes, I'm happy to improve the page as needed. Sonovawolf (talk) 21:33, 11 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Sonovawolf: Nice work on the article. I will review shortly. As for the hook, you will probably want to restore your original as ALT0 and add any new hooks as ALT1, etc. I can't review a hook I contributed to substantively so I will need to ask for another reviewer to take a look. As for using dates, it's been my experience (and others may differ) that the best hooks do without them. It's also wise to create the shortest hook possible. For some ideas, you can take a look at Wikipedia:Did you know/Statistics/All-time DYK pageview leaders. If you look closely, you'll see there's no dates and very few use of numbers themselves except when they are either part of the title or the main focus of the hook. Viriditas (talk) 23:51, 11 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT2: ... that the Christian population of Gaza became the largest in the region after the conquest of Palestine by the Ottoman Empire in 1517? Source: Feodorov, Ioana; Heyberger, Bernard; Noble, Samuel, eds. (2021). Arabic Christianity between the Ottoman Levant and Eastern Europe. Arabic Christianity texts and studies. Leiden Boston: Brill. ISBN978-90-04-46583-1.
Source: ["Cwm Rhondda, also known as Bread of Heaven, was first sung at Capel Rhondda just before Christmas in 1907. It was composed by John Hughes to celebrate the chapel's new organ, which can still be found in the building". https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn5kvyq5lveo Campaign to save Cwm Rhondda chapel for community, Stephen Fairclough and Antonia Matthews, 21 July 2025, BBC News]
Source: ["The name is Yeaggy, Harry Yeaggy, and he’s now the proud new owner of what may be the world’s most famous car. The 1964 Aston Martin DB5 was used by 007, played then by a young Sean Connery, in spy thrillers like “Goldfinger” and “Tomorrow Never Dies.” More recently, it made a cameo in “Casino Royale.” There were just 983 produced, and only two with an ejector seat activated by a little red button in the gear shift. The cost: $4.6 million." https://archive.nytimes.com/dealbook.nytimes.com/2010/10/28/low-profile-banker-meet-high-profile-car/ The New York Times, Chris V. Nicholson, Low-Profile Banker, Meet High-Profile Car, 28 October 2010]
I do not know if this is presentable enough for the main page. There is no infobox or image, and there are lone paragraphs and duplicated citations, which I tagged. Thanks, 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 (My "blotter") 03:56, 11 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1: ... that Nina Negri was one of only two people to exhibit engravings at the Exposition Internationale du Surréalisme? Source: [18] "The Argentine artist Nina Negri, for example, was the sole exhibitor besides Hayter to show engravings in the Exposition internationale du surréalisme (1938)"
ALT2: ... that Nina Negri was one of the first to experiment with the simultaneous colour printmaking technique? Source: [19] "was an early experimenter in what became known as simultaneous colour printmaking"
Source: PW Talks with Jim C. Hines "An editor named Kerrie Hughes wanted me to write a short story that brought my fire-spider Smudge from my goblin books into the present-day world."
Reviewed:
Comment: This was moved to mainspace by an AFC reviewer but I'm not sure how to indicate that. This is my first nom, so sorry if I should have done that differently.
Moved to mainspace by NovaHyperion (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
Regrettably, the hook as currently written may not be suitable for DYK. Firstly, the hook might fall afoul of WP:DYKFICTION, since a hook about a work of fiction must have a real-world connection. Right now, it seems to be a borderline pass at best. The second is that the hook may not meet WP:DYKINT, as if a reader is not familiar with Hines or the character Smudge, the hook may be less appealing. A new hook is probably needed here. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:18, 10 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Narutolovehinata5: Okay, thanks for the notes. This is my first time at DYK, so I appreciate getting some feedback. I've proposed some alts below.
ALT1: ... that the short story Libriomancer is based on features a fire-spider from one of Jim C. Hines's other works?
ALT2: ... that an editor asked Jim C. Hines to write a short story based on one of his other novels, which turned into Libriomancer?
ALT3: ... that K.G. McAbee says Libriomancer shows Jim C. Hines's "love of sheer and unadulterated storytelling"?
I'm trying to focus on the fact that it was a part of the development of the story as opposed to part of the story itself, and while it is a fictional element I think the inclusion of a "fire-spider" is intriguing enough, but I've included ALT3 as an option if I'm not threading these needles correctly. NovaHyperion (talk) 21:40, 10 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1 and ALT2 are better on the DYKFICTION front, but probably less so from a DYKINT perspective since they are reliant on knowing who Hines is. ALT3 is slightly better but probably still not enough to pass DYKINT: it requires knowing who McAbee is, and quote hooks have underperformed among our readers in the past. To be honest, after a quick look at the article, I'm not actually sure if it has any material that would work as a hook. If you need any advice, I suggest you read WP:DYKINT first; I'm happy to give more advice if needed. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 22:43, 10 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I read both WP:DYKINT and WP:DYKFICTION before trying to write any of these hooks (and did wonder if the first suggestion was a little borderline, but I wasn't confident enough either way). To me, these are interesting and something that would appeal to a wide audience, but I recognize that is somewhat subjective.
I'm a little confused how it is less interesting if someone does not know who Hines is, or how it's in any way reliant on that fact; he's a noteable author (with some decent name recognition, though far from famous), and he's the author of the book and the connection between him and the bolded article is clear in both places. Replacing his name with "the author" or some such strikes me as unnecessary obfuscation of an obvious and non-controversial fact, though if you feel something like that would work better I would be fine with that. I have taken a stab at this rewording based on that advice.
ALT2b: ... that Libriomancer began as a short story when the editor encouraged the author to bring a character from a different series into the modern world?
ALT3b: ... that a writer said Libriomancer demonstrated the author's "love of sheer and unadulterated storytelling"?
If ultimately this isn't a viable article for a nomination, I'm fine with that, if a little disappointed (nothing to do with your advice, I hope you can understand how that is a disappointing outcome). As I said, this is my first shot, and I'm sorry if any of the above comes off as rude in any way. If I'm going to make a nomination, I'd want it to have a decent chance at succeeding to avoid wasting either my time or the time of a reviewer, and clearly I am not yet understanding how to enact the criteria. NovaHyperion (talk) 01:54, 11 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Toadboy123: This is not a review (for now), but a new hook may be needed here. For people who don't know the difference between an attack aircraft and a fighter plane, the hook would be confusing. "You mean an attack aircraft doesn't attack other planes?" Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:15, 30 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I'm not sure if it's okay to review the John Schulman submission as it seems that more than one editor may be interested in doing so. I've participated in a number of reviews and am of course happy to do more if I'm below the requisite QPQ level at this point in time. Please let me know and I'll try to do one today or in the next few days. Cheers
Created by Cl3phact0 (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 5 past nominations.
Funny thing! I didn't know either until I started working on the Pirouette article and found the unusual [and] intriguing word in one of the sources. Since we have a nice little article about Abecedaria (or whatever the plural of Abecedarium is), I suppose my rationale is that this might doubly leave the reader wanting to know more (again, per WP:DYKINT). I also used the shorthand for the Museum of Modern Art (MoMA) for the same reason (triple-down on the DYK intrigue). While this might be slightly unconventional in terms of DYK syntax, I thought the upside of using a riddle-like phrasing might be advantageous in excite[ing] the reader into wanting to know more (three times a charm, in this case). The "ALT2" version is meant as a back-stop in case the consensus is that both the "main" and "ALT1" hooks are too abstruse. Cheers, Cl3phact0 (talk) 06:45, 7 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
We have two possible options here: bring Abecedarium to GA status so it could potentially be a double hook, or maybe propose different angles here. Of course, if Abecedarium is brought to GA, it might need its own hook since presumably there would be more material to pick from. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 06:51, 7 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. Curious to understand why that logic might apply to Abecedarium but not MoMA? Also I'm not sure I understand how adding a double hook (or a triple hook!) impacts the primary submission. I really only meant to submit Pirouette (which I just did a lot of work putting together), whereas the additional Pirouettes (GA upgrade, etc.) feel a bit dizzy-making. -- Cl3phact0 (talk) 07:42, 7 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It's because the main hook fact is reliant on knowing that an Abecedarium is, the mention of the Museum of Modern Art is less important (although I agree that the final hook should spell out its full name since not everyone may recognize its abbreviation). Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:25, 7 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The exhibition includes over 100 objects conceived by nearly 120 individuals or organisations. A preponderance of these are notable and have corresponding articles in enwiki – the permutations and possibilities are pretty nearly boundless. That said, riffing on Abecedarium may still be the right angle. Pirouette's application of this fascinating concept (and unusual, intriguing word) to a day-long A, B, C... format of bite-sized rapid-fire informative talks is a clever idea that our readers (in particular, our DYK readers) will, I believe, find intriguing. Stylistically, we've shifted the wording and tone away from its initial triple-tipple semi-Haiku-like abstruseness to something much closer to standard format DYK practice. Shall we first try to iron out any further wrinkles this angle may be concealing before tossing it to the winds of formalism and looking for other angles? Slightly revised wording which addresses most of the issues raised above ALTx: ... that the Museum of Modern Art staged a day-long series of talks called an Abecedarium in support of Pirouette: Turning Points in Design? Are there still wrinkles that need ironing? -- Cl3phact0 (talk) 12:38, 7 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I mean if you could propose another hook that is not about the Abecedarium, because I'm not sure if this angle is working out. If it's not possible, I'll ask for a second opinion here on its interest. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:46, 10 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment:Warming stripes graphic We could include the top image (Warming Stripes) that's used in the article. I think this might add a nice touch to the DYK – and possibly even give us an another "angle" for the hook (cogitating about Narutolovehinata5's not [...] Abecedarium request above). Cheers, Cl3phact0 (talk) 17:45, 10 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That's getting better, but the hook doesn't make it clear where Piroutte comes in. Is it supposed to be "exhibition"? The other links may need to be removed since they distract from the hook and may drive readership away from Pirouette's article. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:37, 12 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The Boston Globe article is available here (nb: this archive copy is included in the reference as used in the article itself). Also, please refer to Talk#Caption consistency for a more robust discussion about this article's captions (it may be preferable to keep that part of this discussion there and focus on the core DYK issues here). -- Cheers, Cl3phact0 (talk) 04:31, 12 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: We've got a very good new primary hook that satisfies most of the concerns that have been expressed in this discussion. In the interest of WP:1Q, can we please keep it simple and proceed with the DYK review based on this one rather than introducing yet another ALT hook "angle" (n, x, 3, or otherwise)? Let's not let perfect get in the way of very good. Cheers, Cl3phact0 (talk) 07:24, 13 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that Mary Karadja claimed that her poem "Mot ljuset" was based on a vision she had beside the grave of her husband and son?
Source: [24] "Poemul mistic Mot ljuset (Spre lumină) este de fapt o viziune pe care autoarea susţine că a avut-o în 1899, în capela Castelului de la Bovigny, când se ruga la mormintele soţului şi băiatului lor cel mare."
ALT1: ... that Mary Karadja founded the Christian Aryan Protection League to deport European Jews to Madagascar? Source: [25] "she founded the Christian Aryan Protection League with the goal of deporting European Jews to Madagascar"
Source: Han solgte Danmarks første NFT-billede i 2021, som var et nøgenbillede af ham selv med titlen 'Den Neo Skandinaviske Mand'. [Translation: "He sold Denmark's first NFT image in 2021, which was a nude image of himself titled 'The Neo Scandinavian Man'."] Source article with Google Translation link to page
Reviewed:
Comment: May need alt hook that it was the first NFT image, if specificity is needed. First DYK nomination, apologies for any errors in submission.
Created by Haj (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
Source: [1]: p. 25: " Ada Woodhill was a Sydney based actress [...]. [...] she met Dr Schnee and travelled with him to New York where they married on the 7th November 1901. [...] He became the Governor of German East Africa in 1912."
ALT1: ... that Ada Schnee wrote a memoir in 1918 about her wartime experiences in German East Africa that was only translated into English in 1955?
Source: [2] p. 23: "According to the memoirs of the British General Fendall who was in Dar-es-Salaam during the East African campaign, the wife of Dr Heinrich Schnee, the Governor of GEA, was 'a native of Australia or New Zealand." and p.25: " Ada Schnee nee Woodhill was born at Naseby, situated on the South Island of New Zealand on the 17th October 1873 (birth number 427 from folio 1222/1872).
Bared chests at the Tomb of Yue Fei in Hangzhou, China
... that the Tomb of Yue Fei in Hangzhou, China, includes bound and kneeling statues of the general's accusers (pictured) that have been ritually reviled for centuries? Source: Müller, Gotelind (2022), Tombs and Transnational History in Greater China: A Collection of Case Studies, Berlin: Lit, p. 210.
ALT1: ... that the Tomb of Yue Fei in Hangzhou, China, includes bound and kneeling statues of the general's pacifist enemies (pictured) that have been ritually reviled for centuries? Source: Müller, loc. cit., and Du, Mara Yue (27 February 2003), "Towards a Nation Defined by State: Tattooed Loyalty and the Evolution of Yue Fei's (1103–1142) Image from the Song to the Present", Journal of Chinese History, Cambridge: Cambridge University Press. (The phrasing is tighter as is but explicit mention of Qin & al. supporting Gaozong's peace could be added if this hook is preferred and that felt needed.)
ALT2: ... that, despite the Maoist Red Guards' destruction of the Tomb of Yue Fei (pictured) in 1966, Xi Jinping took him as a childhood hero and his tattoo as a personal motto? Source: Du, op. cit. (Again the phrasing & content is tighter as is but explicit mention of Xi could be added if this hook is preferred)
ALT3: ... that, when the Tomb of Yue Fei (pictured) was reconstructed in 1979, it was rebuilt not as it had been before its destruction in 1966 but as it should have looked during the Song dynasty? Source: Kögel, Eduard (2015), The Grand Documentation: Ernst Boerschmann and Chinese Religious Architecture (1906–1931), Berlin: Walter de Gruyter, p. 161.
ALT4: ... that statues of Qin Hui, Lady Wang, Moqi Xie, & Zhang Jun (pictured) at the Tomb of Yue Fei in Hangzhou, China, have been ritually pissed on, shat on, & beheaded for centuries? Source: Müller, loc. cit., Kögel, loc. cit., and Fu Chonglan; et al. (2019), Introduction to the Urban History of China, Singapore: Palgrave Macmillan, p. 225.
ALT5: ... that the Tomb of Yue Fei (pictured) was honored for centuries as a shrine to perfect patriotism & loyalty but destroyed in 1966 because the Song general was felt to have been a feudal oppressor? Source: He Libo (16 May 2006), "Pò 'Sìjiù' Fēngcháo de Qiánqián Hòuhòu" 破'四旧'风潮的前前后后 [Ins and Outs of the Campaign to Destroy the 'Four Olds'], Huáxià Wénzhāi Zēngkān, Dì Wǔlíngyī Qí: Wéngé Bówùguǎn Tōngxùn, Dì Sānsānwǔ Qī 华夏文摘增刊，第五〇一期：文革博物馆通讯，第三三五期 [China News Digest, No. 501: Cultural Revolution Newsletter, No. 335] (in Chinese), Gaithersburg: China News Digest International.
ALT6: ... that the Tomb of Yue Fei in Hangzhou, China, features boobies (pictured)? Source: Müller, loc. cit. & Wikicommons imagery.
Comment: 1st, don't worry. You only need to check the hook most interesting to you. 2nd, if you really deeply prefer ALT1 or ALT2, just message my talk page and I'll redo the article to explicitly mention the needed point. 3rd, kindly do not add any links to the provided hooks. DYK is here to drive traffic to new/improved articles. People curious about Qin Hui or Hangzhou can get there from the links in the Tomb of Yue Fei page and don't need them in the hooks themselves.
5x expanded by LlywelynII (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 89 past nominations.
Not a review, but a new hook is needed here. The hook is a "first" hook, and per WP:DYKHOOKCITE, superlative hooks are now discouraged at DYK unless they have airtight sourcing. The current hook is an exceptional claim that is hard to prove with certainty, so I've struck it. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:30, 10 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that Matei Ghica(pictured) lost his Wallachian throne for supporting Greek immigrants, and was moved to Moldavia, where he became unusually submissive toward the natives?
Source: Multiple sources for the Wallachian portion, especially Panait I. Panait, "'Tot norodul Bucureștilor' în lupta pentru dreptate socială și libertatea patriei (sec. al XVIII-lea)", in Muzeul Național, Vol. VII, 1983, p. 179 (referring to the "collaboration of the classes" against Ghica and his Greek clique). The second part is based on Nicolae Iorga, "Prefața", in Documente privitoare la familia Callimachi, Vol. I, p. lxxvii, quoting boyar Enache Kogălniceanu -- see the verbatim quote on prea mult maidan (similar quotes from Kogălniceanu , showing his dismay at Ghica's subservience to his native boyars, in Dorin Dobrincu, "Privilegii fiscale în Moldova epocii fanariote (I)", in Suceava. Anuarul Muzeului Național al Bucovinei, Vols. XXIV–XXV, 1997–1998, pp. 201–202).
ALT1: ... that in 1752 Matei Ghica(pictured) took the throne of Wallachia with support from his father-in-law, allegedly by violating his own father's dying wish? Source: Full account in Nicolae Iorga, "Prefața", in Documente privitoare la familia Callimachi, Vol. I, p. lxxii.
ALT1: ... that Felix Mendelssohn described adding a slow introduction to his Rondo capriccioso as adding "sauce and mushrooms"? Source: Todd, R. Larry (2005). Mendelssohn: A Life in Music. Oxford University Press. pp. 228–229
... that "Gibbet Hill", an 1890 short story by the Dracula author Bram Stoker, was unknown to Stoker scholars until its rediscovery in the 21st century?
Source: BBC: "Gibbet Hill was originally published in a Dublin newspaper in 1890 - when the Irishman started working on Dracula - but has been undocumented ever since."
Comment: The 'easy' hook, that this was rediscovered in 2024 (per the headlines) doesn't actually work, as at least a few Stoker scholars had known about it for years, making this article a useful corrective to the not-fully-accurate headlines that were everywhere about a year ago. (I'll follow up with a review soon.)
5x expanded by J Milburn (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 74 past nominations.
I have added myself as a co-creator as (with Hawkeye7's agreement) I have merged an article I was working on into this one. Feel free to remove me if you disagree - Dumelow (talk) 19:46, 5 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that three films by Arun Bhattarai, who began his career in 2014 as a youth television director in Bhutan, have been screened at international film festivals?
Not a review (for now), but a new hook may be needed here. Bhattarai's films being showed in film festivals abroad is an accomplishment, especially for a Bhutanese filmmaker, but I'm not sure if the hook as currently written meets DYKINT. That angle could be revisited if nothing else could be found, but for now I would suggest proposing alternative options. Maybe mentions of the awards? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:08, 5 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1: ... that Caspar Schmalkalden's 17th-century travelogue comprises 489 handwritten pages with 128 pen-and-ink drawings (example pictured)? Source: Schmalkalden, Caspar (1983). Joost, Wolfgang (ed.). Die wundersamen Reisen des Caspar Schmalkalden nach West- und Ostindien 1642–1652 [The Miraculous Journeys of Caspar Schmalkalden to the West and East Indies, 1642–1652] (in German). Leipzig: F.A. Brockhaus Verlag. ISBN3-325-00204-8.
Source: Schenk, G. (1986). "Als sich zum Prinzen die Prinzessin gesellte. Der Mainzer Rosenmontag im bürgerlichen Zeitalter (1856-1878)" [When the princess joined the prince. Rosenmontag in Mainz during the bourgeois era (1856–1878)]. Mainz. Vierteljahreshefte für Kultur, Politik, Wirtschaft, Geschichte (in German). 6 (1): 6. ISSN0720-5945.
ALT1: ... that the Mainz Rose Monday parade includes over 9,000 participants from Germany and abroad? Source: See "Composition and participants" section.
ALT2: ... that offensive carnival speeches threatened the 1863 Mainz Rose Monday parade? Source: Schütz, F. (1999). "Mainz. Die Geschichte der Stadt". In Dumont, F.; Scherf, F.; Schütz, F. (eds.). Die moderne Mainzer Fastnacht [Modern carnival in Mainz] (in German) (2 ed.). Mainz, Germany: Philipp von Zabern. p. 821. ISBN3-8053-2000-0.
Source: Mathematics in Postmodern American Fiction, page 262: "In the short story this strategy suggests a performance of the failure of language, whether natural or symbolic, to faithfully represent the infinitely dense temporality of the moment of death." Oblivion, page 167: "The thing is that it turns out that logical symbolism really would be the best way to express it [dying]"
Source: Harrogate Advertiser. for Conan Doyle playing billiards at The Harrogate Club. Edgecombe, Wilfrid (1957). Centenary of the Club, Harrogate. History 1857-1957. (offline) for the story about beating Edgecombe at billiards.
The article is not created/moved to the mainspace in the last 7 days. Not expanded 5x and not promoted to GA in the last 7 days. Sorry. Warm Regards, Miminity (Talk?) (me contribs) 07:21, 13 August 2025 (UTC) I linked the wrong article. reviewing this later. Warm Regards, Miminity (Talk?) (me contribs) 07:26, 13 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Source: "She performed well academically, earning summa cum laude honors each of her four years, and she was an athletic standout, which doesn’t even take into account her career as a stellar linebacker in football, a sport she quit when she got to high school." [30]
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Improved to Good Article status by OceanGunfish (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
... that the term waifu has spread beyond anime to encompass fictional characters from video games, Western animation, live-action TV shows, and films, with fans using it to describe romantic attraction to any fictional female character, even non-human ones?
ALT1: ... that approximately 38% of anime fans report having a waifu or husbando (fictional characters they feel romantic attraction toward), according to a 2025 study? Source: [2]
ALT2: ... that having a waifu is considered a potential solution for people who have experienced relationship trauma? Source: [1]
ALT3: ... that in 2009, a Japanese man held a wedding ceremony to marry his waifu (a fictional female character he was attracted to), with the ceremony broadcast live to over 3,000 viewers? Source: [1]
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Created by GregariousMadness (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
^ abcMohammad, Wily (2023). "The Role of AI Waifu Characters in Supporting Weaboos with Posttraumatic Relationship Syndrome (PTRS)". Sinergi International Journal of Psychology. 1 (2): 77–96. doi:10.61194/psychology.v1i2.105.
^Leshner, Connor; Reysen, Stephen; Plante, Courtney N.; Roberts, Sharon E.; Gerbasi, Kathleen C. (2025). "You Would Not Download a Soulmate: Attributes of Fictional Characters That Inspire Intimate Connection". Psychology of Popular Media. doi:10.1037/ppm0000590.
... that the regimental band of the British Central Africa Regiment were known as the "canary birds" because of their bright yellow pants?
Source: Verner 1906, p. 47.
ALT1: ... that married soldiers in the British Central Africa Regiment received private quarters, while their unmarried fellows slept in domitories? Source: Marjomaa 2003, p. 422.
ALT2: ... that the British Central Africa Regiment was formed of companies of different ethnic groups? Source: Moyse-Bartlett 1956, p. 125, Marjomaa 2003, p. 418.
... that by 1985, the Sanok Construction Company had constructed over 9,000 apartments, in addition to schools, industrial facilities, hotels, restaurants, a museum, a cemetery, and an ice rink?
Source: See multiple throughout article
ALT1: ... that the Sanok Construction Company operated its own medical clinic and had sports teams for shooting and volleyball? Source: Radzik (2014, pp. 135-136)
... that, according to the Reporter Dispatch, "UFO lawyer" Peter Gersten is "a cool-looking character — blue shades, shirt unbuttoned to the chest, tie untied"?
Source: Hamlin, Ann (1989). "Government archaeology in Northern Ireland". In Cleere, Henry L. (ed.). Archaeological Heritage Management in the Modern World. London: Unwin Hyman. pp. 171–181. ISBN0-04-445028-1. Fry, Malcolm F. (2003). "Preserving Ancient and Historic Monuments and Sites in State Care in Northern Ireland, c1921 to c1955. Part One: Establishing a System of Care". Ulster Journal of Archaeology. 62: 161–175. JSTOR20568324.
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Created by AFBorchert (talk).
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Source: Stewart-Ahn, Aaron (June 19, 2019). "Neverending Evangelion". Polygon. Archived from the original on December 25, 2019. Retrieved May 3, 2022.
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Comment: The Polygon source was added to the article before Valnet acquired Polygon. Date given is according to UTC, even though in my time zone, it would have been done August 3, 2025.
Created by Z. Patterson (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
Comment: The article is not a new creation, but rather it was promoted to GA status on August 4th, so it should have been nominated as a newly-promoted GA rather than as a new article. This is more of a notice to the reviewer. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:10, 5 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Cited: - Neither of the given sources directly support the claim that the two films "inspired the plot" of Gunbuster: the Anime Herald article states that the Japanese *title* is a nod to those film, while the Polygon article only states that there are "allusions to Top Gun". Do you have another source that better supports it?
Interesting:
QPQ: None required.
Overall: No problems with eligibility besides the citation issue noted above: article was promoted to Good Article status on August 4, 2025; article is well-sourced and neutral; no copyright violations detected; no QPQ needed. The hook given is really two facts in one:
@Ploni: From another source on Polygon, it reads, "Gunbuster has the competitive spirit, peer idolization, and blossoming romance from Osamu Dezaki’s tennis shoujo classic Aim for the Ace! combined with the elite training and military focus of Top Gun." Also, the same article reads, "Without Gunbuster, there would be no Neon Genesis Evangelion." This source was written before Valnet acquired Polygon.[2]
Thanks for the additional source—it definitely backs up ALT2. However, it still doesn't corroborate the claim that the plots of Aim for the Ace! and Top Gun actually inspired the plot of Gunbuster. Ploni💬20:42, 11 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
References
^Gianfranco Civolani, Mario D'Agata, in: Giuliano, cit., p. 88
... that Antonio Oteiza, a Capuchin brother, worked as a missionary in Latin America, but from 1961 focused on creating religious art which he felt had more impact than sermons? Source: [31]
Source: "American Sydney McLaughlin produced one of the greatest track performances of all time on Friday by shattering her own 400 metres hurdles world record to win World Championships gold. The Olympic champion charged home in 50.68 seconds, slashing 0.73 off her previous mark of 51.41 set at the same springy Hayward Field last month and becoming the first woman to run under 51 seconds in the event." (link)
... that at the age of 26, Vinanda Prameswati became Indonesia's youngest sitting regional leader in 2025? Source: [32]: "Vinanda Prameswati, kepala daerah termuda saat ini" -> "Vinanda Prameswati, the youngest current regional leader"
Source: Ulrich A. Wien (2017). "Kirche und Politik im Verständnis der Bischöfe Viktor Glondys und Wilhelm Staede", in RT 99, vol. 1, p. 123. (in German). Translated excerpt: “He was first appointed parish priest in the economically cosmopolitan city of Kronstadt in 1922, then elected vicar bishop to the elderly Bishop Dr. Friedrich Teutsch in 1930, and finally, in 1932, he became the first non-Saxon in 380 years to be elected bishop of the regional church.”
ALT1: ... that Viktor Glondys converted from Catholicism to Lutheranism during his philosophical studies in Graz, likely influenced by the teachings of Alexius Meinong? Source: Beyer, Hans (1964). Viktor Glondys, 1882–1949: ein Beitrag zur Geistes- und Kirchengeschichte des Südostdeutschtums zwischen den beiden Weltkriegen. [Festschrift für Balduin Saria zum 70. Geburtstag] (in German). Oldenbourg. p. 420.
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Comment: If relevant (I have never done this before), in the source it says "non-Saxon", which is meant to refer specifically to Transylvanian Saxons. This is clarified later when he refers to the Saxons from then on as "Siebenbürger Sachsen" (Transylvanian Saxon).
Moved to mainspace by Apollo468 (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
Source: "In the 21st century, we recover the legacy of important social activists such as Elvia Carrillo Puerto, once known as the 'Red Nun of the Mayab'." (Cuéllar Montero 2023, p. 2)
"Before the committee that reviewed the background to certify the revolutionary merit of Elvia Carrillo Puerto, Colonel Bates declared that Elvia was a spy and courier for the revolutionaries..." (Sauri Riancho 2021, pp. 27-28).
Source: "Formally, Elvia only attended basic studies, but it is said that she was educated by the priest of Motul, Serafín García, a Catalan anarchist whose house and library she attended and where she even learned to play the violin." (Peniche Rivero 2011, pp. 85-86)
"Why did Elvia separate herself from the interests of her sisters to frequent readings and intellectual exchange with the local parish priest, Serafín García?" (Sauri Riancho 2021, pp. 14-15)
Source: ""In elections for the state legislature in 1923, Carrillo's Socialist party picked three women as deputies and one as an alternate, out of a total of eighteen deputies and eighteen alternates. His younger sister, Elvia Carrillo Puerto, a close collaborator in all his initiatives on behalf of women, ran in the fifth district and won by an overwhelming majority of 5,115 votes." (Macías 1978, p. 290)
"After the assassination of her brother Felipe in 1924, forced to leave her seat in the Yucatán legislature, Elvia established her legal residence in San Luis Potosí. Here, taking advantage of state legislation that recognized the political rights of literate women in this state, she ran in the 1925 elections." (Cano 1991, p. 282)
Comment: Recently updated the article with a lot of info from multiple sources. Not quite sure how best to link in to the Some Great Reward article in the prose, though...
5x expanded by 87Fan (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
Comment: No, I don't really understand what most of the article is going on about (all credit to Abvdj who evidently does); that's why I took the hook facts from the lead!
Created by Abvdj (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 44 past nominations.
... that the Japanese colonisation of Hokkaido was facilitated by the expertise of American advisors?
Source:
Hirano 2023a, pp. 138–139, 142
Lu 2019, pp. 522–524, 535–537
Hirano 2015, p. 195
Ruiz 2024, pp. 37–38
ALT1: ... that because of the Japanese colonisation of Hokkaido, the island's population increased from 58,000 to 240,000 during the 1870s? Source: McDougall 1993, p. 357.
ALT2: ... that during the Japanese colonisation of Hokkaido the native Ainu people were forbidden to fish or hunt—their main sources of subsistence—and to use their native language? Source:
Long enough, new enough, no copyvio problems. I take issue with the source, as it doesn't mention the 32-ounce part. To me, this hook feels like run-of-the-mill heritage tourism "visit our diner" that I'd find on Instagram, but in the form of a DYK nomination. Also, the 32 ounces doesn't seem all to interesting; just another member of the "our serving sizes are humongous!!" genre of eatery. Also, DYK hooks need to be linked and boldened, as you can see I did above. I might just be spiteful of this type of consumerism in general, so I'll [removed re-review template to stop reviewers from doing so]. Roast (talk) 01:35, 8 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hello! That's valid feedback about the source. The interestingness was intended to be more about the tradition and history of the restaurant and the impact of the ban. Here are two proposed alts: "... that Brooklyn's Farrell's Bar & Grill has operated in the same spot since 1933, opening the year Prohibition ended?" or "... that Brooklyn's Farrell's Bar & Grill kept serving beer in large take-home containers after a city ban forced it to swap its signature styrofoam cups for paper and plastic?" These both use the same sources as the original submission. Veggiegalaxy (talk) 14:04, 8 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Veggiegalaxy: I prefer the second hook you gave, but could see cleanup to change it somewhat, perhaps "... that Brooklyn's Farrell's Bar & Grill continued serving beer in its large containers after a city ban forced it to swap from styrofoam to paper and plastic?" Does that sound good? Roast (talk) 05:03, 10 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Source: Doratioto, Francisco (2002). Maldita Guerra: Nova história da Guerra do Paraguai [Damned War: New history of the Paraguayan War] (in Portuguese) (2 ed.). São Paulo: Companhia das Letras. ISBN 978-65-5921-286-6, p. 373-374.
ALT1: ... that on the same day of the Pikysyry campaign's final battle, Paraguayan president López had his brother shot? Source: Doratioto, Francisco (2002). Maldita Guerra: Nova história da Guerra do Paraguai [Damned War: New history of the Paraguayan War] (in Portuguese) (2 ed.). São Paulo: Companhia das Letras. ISBN 978-65-5921-286-6, p. 344;367-368.
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Comment: If necessary I can transcribe/translate the content from the cited sources.
Improved to Good Article status by Coeusin (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
Source: IGN ("“I think because of the success of Crash, they wanted to get us the earliest prototype PS2 hardware they could,” he continued. “At the time, they couldn’t even import the machines. It couldn’t get through customs. It was this supercomputer. It had to be searched and made sure that you’re not using it for nefarious purposes or something. They actually had to sneak it in. They sent us to the airport and we had to drive over into some weird warehouse and pick it up and take it back to the office.”") and GamesRadar+ ("One day in 1999, Naughty Dog co-founder Andy Gavin walked into the studio's Santa Monica office and approached his team of QA testers with an unusual proposition: "Who wants a 48 hour, all-expenses-paid trip to Japan with plenty of jetlag, and at least one good meal?". His chosen volunteer would be bringing back the first PS2 devkit to enter the United States, allowing Naughty Dog to finally get its hands on the next-generation PlayStation it had been eagerly anticipating for years. The machine wasn't just a peace offering from the studio's soon-to-be parent company, but the key ingredient in an ambitious new project germinating quietly in the background of its self-made Crash mania.")
ALT1: ... that the final boss of Jak and Daxter: The Precursor Legacy was integrated just 48 hours before the final version of the game was submitted? Source: IGN ("Thompson specifically discussed the original Jak & Daxter’s development, identifying it as “hectic” and noting that the original schedule was slipping through their fingers. “The Precursor Bot, the last boss fight in the game, I believe went in 48 hours before final,” he said, chuckling. “I think we had a day to tune it before it went into the can.”")
Comment: Review most interesting hook only, and use others as backup if needed. You do not habe to review all hooks.
Currently requesting a public domain photograph of him from the University of Illinois, which could allow for an image to be included. The image can also be found on this site, so adding an image now is possible, but I'd prefer the original owners' premission.
ALT0 could also mention him being rejected.
Created by Guerreroast (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 9 past nominations.
Article is long enough and new enough. The sources used seem reliable and Earwig shows no copyright violations. QPQ has been done and the hook is sourced in the article. I slightly tweaked the hook, I hope that is okay - feel free to revert. Overall this is good to go, well done :) DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 12:14, 12 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1: ... that Spanish footballer Emilia Ibáñez scored 40 league goals in the 1985–86 season, but was only the second highest goalscorer in the league?
@DaniloDaysOfOurLives:, you can’t significantly change the hooky part of the hook and leave it in the same line, and you certainly can’t then approve it yourself. Your review is null because of that, and also shouldn’t be used for QPQ. I’ve added your version as an alt, and this is open for review for someone else. Kingsif (talk) 18:21, 12 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
...Really? I changed two words with pretty much the same meaning, which I said you could revert, and which editors do all the time. I was trying to be nice by reviewing this and I specifically said Feel free to revert. You could have just reverted it. You did not need to be so rude/defensive when I was trying to help you. DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk)
Any non-typo change should really be a new alt, yes. But also, you didn't just change two words with the same meaning - you apparently fail to see the difference in intention and deliberate information/lack thereof presentation between still was not the top goalscorer in the league and was only the second highest goalscorer in the league. The hooky part, to me, is that "40's an awful lot how can't she be top goalscorer" elicits surprise, while "second highest" is just a rather bland simple statement. Kingsif (talk) 23:23, 12 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that after Persik Kediri won the 2003 Liga Indonesia, Kediri mayor Achmad Maschut gave municipal government jobs to some of its players? Source: [33]: "Bahkan saat Persik juara Divisi Utama 2003, HA Maschut mengangkat orang-orang yang telah berjasa menjadi PNS di lingkup Pemkota Kediri."
... that two years after Zhang Juzheng's death, his wife and two of his sons committed suicide, while ten of his descendants were starved to death in an empty house?
Source: Pang (2015), pp. 29–30.
ALT1: ... that after Zhang Juzheng was criticised for not adequtely mourning the death of his father, he eliminated around fifty opponents through self-evaluation tests? Source:
Huang (1988), pp. 526-527, 537
Peterson (1998), pp. 741-742
ALT2: ... that despite the renown of Zhang Juzheng's art collection, no paintings or calligraphy were found when the emperor confiscated his property? Source: Pang (2015), pp. 29–30.
Source: "delayed a prestige screening by performing rock songs" The Guardian
ALT1: ... that director Abel Ferrara celebrated a lifetime achievement award at the 64th Locarno Film Festival by launching into song? Source: "Ferrara surprised the thousands-strong crowd by following his acceptance speech with a rock song" The Guardian
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Comment: Hi folks, this is my first DYK! I've been working on Locarno Film Festival articles and would love to highlight some of the fun stuff at the festivals. Hope this one is a good hook!
Created by SquawkGuard (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
Comment: It's been nominated for ITN, but only for non-blurb RD, so being on the Main Page will not preclude this nom. For ALT0: I'm sure folks around the world are globally familiar with the Malcolm X.
Created by Miraclepine (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 97 past nominations.
Source: "Both sides approached the king who was at Beth Guvrin. According to the Syrians the king decreed that Gunfrid's former property be returned to him. The Syrians then appealed to Queen Melisend in Jerusalem and Gunfrid was finally advised to accept the sum of 200 gold dinars in lieu of the villages." (Friedman 2021, p. 80)
ALT1: ... that that EastEnders celebrated the anniversary of VE Day in 1995 and again in 2025? Source: [40]
ALT2: ... that Episode 7116 of the British soap opera EastEnders archived footage of people celebrating VE day in 1945? Source: [41]
ALT3: ... that viewers complained over the reopening of a fictional pub in an episode of EastEnders as they felt that it looked exactly the same? Source: [42]
Comment: Please feel free to tweak any of the hooks. For some reason it would not allow me to do this via the nomination form so I had to do it manually.
Improved to Good Article status by DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 32 past nominations.
... that Rama Alexander Asia attempted to make community forestry permits last up to 100 years, although legally it could only last for 25? Source: State, Communities and Forests in Contemporary Borneo p81: "the Bupati [i.e. Rama Alexander Asia] retained the sole right to issue a 'Community Forest Permit' [...] the draft regulation specified that a Community Forest Permit could be allocated for a period of 100 years. However, Decree No. 31/2001 states that [...] can only be allocated for 25 years."
Also, I started the drafts for all three in June, but published them today.
Further, there's discussion about these Jilly Cooper hooks here - inc. the suggestion to combine them.
Created by Lajmmoore (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 3. Nominator has 148 past nominations.
I don't think "badass bitch" belongs in WP:WIKIVOICE. Can this be reframed as a quote, perhaps? Otherwise, the all three articles are new enough (moved recently to mainspace) and long enough. The suggestion to combine three articles into a single DYK seems sensible to me. I think the lead sections could use some light editing, like probably breaking out another paragraph. The cover image of Prudence should be diminished in size per WP:DYKIMG. SpiralShell (talk) 19:36, 11 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT0b ... that whilst Prudence and Emily were "unsophisticated ducklings", Bella showed "badass bitchery"?
Does that work better SpiralShell? RE: images - I'm a bit confused by the comment - I haven't nominated any to go with the DYK as they are all fair use, and my impression was the image sizes listed in the link shared are just for when they are part of nominations? will do a touch up on the leads tomorrow Lajmmoore (talk) 20:05, 11 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I think I misunderstood the image size guidelines, so ignore that part of my comment. Yes I think the quoted hook addresses my concerns. I'll do a small amount of editing on the leads too. SpiralShell (talk) 20:15, 11 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The article does not seem presentable. I suggest merging the first two sections in "wars and battles". The hook seems long and confusing, I hope you can shorten it. I hope you can fix these issues. Thanks, 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 (My "blotter") 12:04, 11 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Hello there, this is my third DYK nomination. The first one was ineligible, and the second one was unsuccessful due to me forgetting to credit the original nominator. The third one must be successful, because I have asked the original nominator, Sammi Brie, and the article was recently added to the good articles list.
Created by FaroeFO (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
I wanted to see what another user might come up with, so I let FaroeFO open the nomination. Unfortunately, this is not a hook I would have considered in this form. That said, there's the kernel of something here: Sammi Brie (she/her · t · c) 09:06, 11 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1: ... that a Maryland TV station opened a low-power TV station and started a newscast in hopes of earning more national advertising revenue? [44]
... that after capturing the Bone Sultanate's palace in an 1814 expedition, the British brought back 30 Bugis and Makassarese manuscripts (example pictured)? Source: [45]
Hi Juxlos, review follows: article moved to mainspace on 11 August and exceeds minimum length; article is well written and cited inline throughout to what look to be reliable sources (AGF on the Indonesian ones); I didn't pick up any issues with overly close paraphrasing in a check against the main source (British Library), AGF on the print and Indonesian sources; image looks good and is well out of copyright; a QPQ has been carried out. Minor quibbles on the hook: you say "over 30" but the article says "30" and the DYK rules require a citation immediately after the sentence in the article - Dumelow (talk) 08:23, 13 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that the writer Laurence Sterne became famous for a bawdy comic novel, and immediately sold a book of sermons? Source: "It is still a matter of some wonderment that, when Laurence Sterne rushed to London in the early winter of 1760 in order to bask in the glory of his newly found career as the author of The Life and Opinions of Tristram Shandy, he had the presence of mind to throw some of his sermons into his bag. ... he seized the moment of notoriety to persuade Robert Dodsley to publish them" -- New 1996, p 1
ALT1: ... that the clergyman and novelist Laurence Sterne sold books of his sermons under the name of a self-insert fictional character? Source: "Sterne was fully aware ... that publishing sermons under the name Yorick might give umbrage, although his desire to tie himself as closely as possible to the success of Tristram clearly led to the decision to do so." -- New 1996 p.2. "Parson Yorick (Sterne's own alter ego) is a baffling cocktail of sublime religious humanity and downright lasciviousness" -- Turner 2010 p. 11
Comment: I don't think any of the interesting 18thC prints in the article would "read" at DYK size but I'd value a reviewer's input as to whether this hook should be illustrated.
5x expanded by LEvalyn (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 18 past nominations.
... that Triệu Quân Sự, a convicted murderer who escaped from prison four times, was being caught while playing online games twice?
Source: Escaped four times [46], Twice being caught while playing online games [47]
ALT1: ... that Vietnamese life-sentenced prisoner Triệu Quân Sự said that he escaped from prison because he wanted to get money to play games? Source: [48]
Reviewed:
Created by KhoaNguyen1 (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
Thank you, I have tried to reword the hook: ALT0a: ... that Vietnamese prisoner Triệu Quân Sự escaped from jail four times, and half of them ended up being caught while playing online games at internet cafés? KhoaNguyen1 (talk) 07:52, 13 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Source: Iwate Nippo "広大な被災跡地にぽつんとたたずむ米沢商会ビル。中心市街地の面影が消えた地で" [The Yonezawa Shokai Building stands alone in the vast disaster-stricken area. In a place where the image of the city center has disappeared.]
ALT1: ... that a tsunami was only 20 centimetres (7.9 in) from reaching Yuichi Yonezawa at the chimney of the Yonezawa Shokai Building? Source: Mainichi ShimbunShūkan Gendai Online "慌てて屋上へ駆け上がり、はしごで塔屋へ、さらに上の煙突へとよじ登った。高さ約15m。その20cm下まで黒い波は迫り" [I rushed to the rooftop, climbed up the ladder to the penthouse, and then to the chimney above. It was about 15 meters high. The black wave was approaching me just 20 cm below.]
ALT2: ... that Yuichi Yonezawa survives the 2011 tsunami in Japan by climbing the chimney of the Yonezawa Shokai Building? Source: Shūkan Gendai Online "慌てて屋上へ駆け上がり、はしごで塔屋へ、さらに上の煙突へとよじ登った。高さ約15m。その20cm下まで黒い波は迫り" [I rushed to the rooftop, climbed up the ladder to the penthouse, and then to the chimney above. It was about 15 meters high. The black wave was approaching me just 20 cm below.]
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Full review needed. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:19, 18 July 2025 (UTC)
Long enough, new enough. Fairly certain no QPQ was actually necessary for this. I think you'll probably get away with ALT1: ... that a supreme state organ of power usually has unlimited state power?, but a) I need a quote from the source, and b) I'd appreciate confirmation of where it is in the article. Also, Earwig's on fire.--Launchballer 14:44, 6 August 2025 (UTC)
: The first hook referring to Dawn as the first Olympian is interesting. Nothing seems wrong with it (unless told). Ominae (talk) 14:11, 22 June 2025 (UTC)
Pulled owing to CLOP concerns raised at WT:DYK#Emirto de Lima. These will need to be resolved before this can be re-approved and re-promoted. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 22:28, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
fail the DYK. I won't AfD the article, as it seems to have potential, but if ChiJap wants to argue the case there let me know and I'll start a discussion and put the DYK on hold pending the result. --Paul_012 (talk) 05:03, 4 August 2025 (UTC)
Reopening as notability was established at the AfD.--Launchballer 09:55, 10 August 2025 (UTC)
Rosenthal, Herman; Zametkin, M. (1904). "Gordon, Michel". In Singer, Isidore; et al. (eds.). The Jewish Encyclopedia. Vol. 6. New York: Funk & Wagnalls. p. 48.)
- No, Dan Pashman was expanded from 127 words (or generously outside the 7 day from 83 words) to 291 words in the last 7 days. Not fivefold.
Working - I'll do a full review on this after work, once my children are in bed. TarnishedPathtalk 02:40, 5 August 2025 (UTC)
Article created 11 July and nominated the 18 July. Earwig comes up as 59.9%, however this primarily a consequence of quotes. Note there are a number of references which Earwig scores high against, and these are all for the same qoutes. The hook is supported by the source and is interesting. This hook uses a video, which is novel. Note the video in this hook (commons:File:Pam Bondi on Jeffrey Epstein, July 8, 2025.webm) is a shorter version of what is used in the article (commons:File:President Trump and Pam Bondi on Jeffrey Epstein, July 8th 2025.webm. The video was recorded by a employee of the federal government and therefore is in the public domain. QPQ done. Good to go. TarnishedPathtalk 11:34, 5 August 2025 (UTC)
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It's a good artistic topic which should naturally be run in a picture hook slot. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:30, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
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@Agent VII: Article is long enough and was nominated on the day of creation. Image is free. PizzaKing13 (¡Hablame!) 🍕👑 09:10, 10 August 2025 (UTC)
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Hawkeye7 (discuss) 22:53, 5 August 2025 (UTC)
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